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Even the rest If the shots these guys were dishing to each other were pats and slaps. -
I used to think so, but I don't know. It looks weak for sure, but well, what's the motivation? Both dudes made killer money and they did go on to work together but they could have done those things anyway. Just don't see the motivation.Comment
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No...
Why would the cash cow of boxing take a dive on someone like Hopkins?
If Oscar had a s hit career I’d be like “well...maybe...”
Or if B Hop took a dive it’d make sense.
Oscar had literally nothing to gain.
In fact, losing was worse case scenario.
Oscar may be a creepo cross dressing dude but he’d fight anyone. Doesn’t seem like the type to be bought in a fight. I don’t question Oscar as a fighter. He’s at least earned that.Comment
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I covered this same topic last month. My detailed response with video and screenshot analysis can be found here: https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=778843Comment
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interestingOriginally posted by McNulty View Post
Originally posted by McNulty View PostListen to that voice in the background.....
Somebody from the crowd is yelling "bodyshot" like 6x, then a few seconds later the same voice yells for "Oh o Oscar" then calls "Oscar" 2 more x. Was that his queue?
Never even noticed that until now. Anyway, the older I get the more the action itself looks like a dive.
The punch looks weak, the reaction looks fake, and his behavior in the aftermath all look really suspect.
Bob Arum said he thinks Oscar took a dive, could be sour grapes for losing in court, but Morales said he took a dive too. Maybe he's just jaded about Oscar and the heritage issue, who knows.
From a Boxing perspective, unless you're Roy Jones dropping white-hot heat on Virgil Hill's ribs, hooks to the side of the ribs don't really hurt. I've taken world class shots from fighters with world class power (a few classes above me too) and it sounds scary, but unless you're punching up like an uppercut and not hitting the side at a 3 o'clock angle, they just don't hurt.
Hopkins hit him with his open glove (get a good copy and slo-mo it) and the only damage bearing knuckles that hit were the pinky side where the least amount of power is. You're supposed to hit with your fist two knuckles, often when hooking to the body (with palm facing your body) you'll hit 2 center and maybe a shade of a 3 but always avoid 3 and 4. Hopkins hit pinky if anything, but looked more open glove. Picture isn't the best, but I'll get a good clip.
So let's say Oscar took the dive, why would be do that? What's the benefit? Did he bet on Hopkins to win by KO in the 9th? I don't know the odds but it'll be something like 1500:1-1700:1. Regular odds were like -210 (DLH money line) so the odds weren't out of this world in disparity.
To make a loss worth it you would need to put a couple of mill on the line and you can't do that at the window in Vegas back then. It would be a ton of work to wager that legit. Max bets across all casino's, too many moving pieces. Private broker, but that's pretty shady and could turn into blackmail down the line. I'm having a hard time finding the angle.
What do you guys think, dive or legit?Comment
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That's one thing you have to give Oscar. He fought everybody who was anybody in his day. That says a lot.Originally posted by NearHypnos View PostComment
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He had nothing to gain, I've never thought so.
Fact is I've seen a lot of weird punches knock people down and out. Oscar was starting to drown in that fight, and the tank was emptying. I think it was a combination of him not expecting it/see it coming and Hopkins hitting the sweet spot. Also remember that he was much the bigger man, and although he fought with finesse, he was a big middleweight, Oscar would have felt the weight of ever punch.Comment
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Whats with the shade towards body shots today?Comment
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