De La Hoya used PEDs, Mayweather Jr uses Xylocaine, yet they accuse Manny Pacquia....

[The MODERATOR]

......of cheating!

how is that to start with for guys wanting to clean up boxing???

your thoughts

is that even being fair to begin with?

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You dont have a clue if Manny is clean or not because he refused to be tested , the onus is on him not his accuser , thats the nature of PEDS and diseases , if your in question of having or using you must test clean to prove other wise , and for 20 million dollars people dont run from that without something to hide , the onus is on Manny !! take the test !

[checkmate18x]

Floyd has a proven history of coming in overweight so Pac asked for a penalty and Floyd had to agree. Manny has no steroid history so when Floyd asked for testing he said FU. Nothing wrong with that.

[AFighter4U]

You dont have a clue if Manny is clean or not because he refused to be tested , the onus is on him not his accuser , thats the nature of PEDS and diseases , if your in question of having or using you must test clean to prove other wise , and for 20 million dollars people dont run from that without something to hide , the onus is on Manny !! take the test !

1st of all Manny isn't ducking ANY test. He agreed to ALL TESTS, including random olympic style blood tests up to 24 days before the fight.

2nd the 14 days before the fight stipulation of Mayweather virtually makes the random olympic-style blood tests he's asking for totally useless since according to Victor Conte, the man roiding Olympic athletes for years and got away with it, they need only ONE DAY TO HIDE THE ROIDS FROM THE ATHLETES SYSTEM TO CHEAT THE TESTS. The fact that Mayweather's precious tests caught ZERO HGH using athletes proves my point.

3rd Daily urine tests which Manny was more than willing to take would prevent that from happening which they can do until the fight night. And the latest urine tests are capable of detecting HGH, EPO, steroids and other PEDs.

[DE100]

Xylocaine's Tested For and its Banned in Nevada.

De La Hoya was given a shot of Lidocaine the day of the injury to numb the cut area so the stitches could be taken. Lidocaine is a substance banned by the Nevada State Athletic Commission. But Marc Ratner, CEO of the commission, said there is no violation as long as De La Hoya informed the commission when he took it and why.

http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:...ient=firefox-a


Kizer confirmed yesterday that lidocaine is banned for use by boxers within a week of a bout. “If lidocaine is injected,” he said, “the pain receptors in the boxer may not work and he may not know if he is hurt.” He also confirmed that lidocaine would be tested for after the bout, at the Quest Diagnostics laboratory in the city.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle3019074.ece



Nevada boxing officials said yesterday they would fine and probably suspend Lloyd Honeyghan. They said the British fighter tested positive for the painkilling drug lidocaine after losing his World Boxing Council welterweight title to Marlon Starling on Feb. 4.

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/18/sp...l?pagewanted=1

Tested as far back as 1989

Thats why no in the real Media cares about this or anyone in Boxing or Arum or Team Pac.

Mayweather has also fought in Portland, New Jersey, Florida, Michigan, and California since 03'.

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Floyd has a proven history of coming in overweight so Pac asked for a penalty and Floyd had to agree. Manny has no steroid history so when Floyd asked for testing he said FU. Nothing wrong with that.

Did Manny put a weight clause on Clottey he has been over 147 11 times , Floyd has never been over 147 ever !!

Did Floyd demand the same test of Mosley , yes and Mosley like anyone else other than Pac said yes in an instant , so who is consistent in asking for what it aint Pac thats for certain , Pac is like a spoiled little kid that must have everything in his favor starting at weight , he never agrees to anything the other fighter wants .

Nothing wrong with saying a 20 million **** you is it , lol , and you swallow that like the gullible kid with an idol , lol sure thing bud .

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1st of all Manny isn't ducking ANY test. He agreed to ALL TESTS, including random olympic style blood tests up to 24 days before the fight.

2nd the 14 days before the fight stipulation of Mayweather virtually makes the random olympic-style blood tests he's asking for totally useless since according to Victor Conte, the man roiding Olympic athletes for years and got away with it, they need only ONE DAY TO HIDE THE ROIDS FROM THE ATHLETES SYSTEM TO CHEAT THE TESTS. The fact that Mayweather's precious tests caught ZERO HGH using athletes proves my point.

3rd Daily urine tests which Manny was more than willing to take would prevent that from happening which they can do until the fight night. And the latest urine tests are capable of detecting HGH, EPO, steroids and other PEDs.

You fail badly bud , what Manny agreed to is a good as no test at all , thats the whole point the top testing he dont want , why , what he wants is a window for a cheat that an elephant can jump through , Manny is playing his fans for fools , its very suspicious to behave like Manny and refuse to be tested and proven clean , not maybe but absolutely clean , he dont want to do that .

US-ANTI DOPING HEAD POINTS FINGER AT MANNY!
February 4th, 2010

TYGART IS STRAIGHT & TO THE POINT

San Francisco, CA- In an interview with a Michigan newspaper, Travis Tygart of the US Anti Doping Agency pulled no punches regarding the Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather fight falling apart. Having worked with both camps before the event was called off, Tygart had this to say. “Out of respect for both sides I don’t want to get into a ton of detail, but it’s safe to say that the Mayweather camp wanted the carte blanche gold-standard that we run, and the other side (Manny, Bob Arum, Freddie Roach, etc) didn’t want to do that.”

BOTH DESERVE BLAME, BUT MANNY A LOT MORE!
Tygart continues, “The current state testing is a joke. They don’t test for EPO. They don’t test for designer steroids. They test for a simple basic menu that anybody with a heart beat can escape. It (the testing) has to be no ‘notice’ testing.” Tygart went on, “Pacquiao was clearly throughout the negotiations acting like someone hiding something.”

HGH TESTING NOT UP TO SNUFF!“I’m very skeptical that HGH can be tested effectively for, given in the last Olympics, when the new test rolled out, they didn’t catch anyone.” Tygart also said that the commissions notifying guys 48 hours before a test is dumb. In closing, the Olympic style testing occurs whenever the tester shows up!
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[fabie]

You dont have a clue if Manny is clean or not because he refused to be tested , the onus is on him not his accuser , thats the nature of PEDS and diseases , if your in question of having or using you must test clean to prove other wise , and for 20 million dollars people dont run from that without something to hide , the onus is on Manny !! take the test !

NO, it's not. The onus is on the grounds/proofs and the credibility of the accuser.

Just like someone who wants to impeach the president, does it hold any water towards an impeachment trial?

NOPE.

There has to be proofs and deliberations for a Congressional pre-trial to determine if it is valid first, then the actual impeachment trial begins.

Same thing with RAPE allegations to a "celebrity."

And so what proofs and character does the MAYWEATHER have against a spotless Pacquiao? His records are unblemished to even raise a flag.

[AFighter4U]

You fail badly bud , what Manny agreed to is a good as no test at all , thats the whole point the top testing he dont want , why , what he wants is a window for a cheat that an elephant can jump through , Manny is playing his fans for fools , its very suspicious to behave like Manny and refuse to be tested and proven clean , not maybe but absolutely clean , he dont want to do that .

US-ANTI DOPING HEAD POINTS FINGER AT MANNY!
February 4th, 2010

TYGART IS STRAIGHT & TO THE POINT

San Francisco, CA- In an interview with a Michigan newspaper, Travis Tygart of the US Anti Doping Agency pulled no punches regarding the Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather fight falling apart. Having worked with both camps before the event was called off, Tygart had this to say. “Out of respect for both sides I don’t want to get into a ton of detail, but it’s safe to say that the Mayweather camp wanted the carte blanche gold-standard that we run, and the other side (Manny, Bob Arum, Freddie Roach, etc) didn’t want to do that.”

BOTH DESERVE BLAME, BUT MANNY A LOT MORE!
Tygart continues, “The current state testing is a joke. They don’t test for EPO. They don’t test for designer steroids. They test for a simple basic menu that anybody with a heart beat can escape. It (the testing) has to be no ‘notice’ testing.” Tygart went on, “Pacquiao was clearly throughout the negotiations acting like someone hiding something.”

HGH TESTING NOT UP TO SNUFF!“I’m very skeptical that HGH can be tested effectively for, given in the last Olympics, when the new test rolled out, they didn’t catch anyone.” Tygart also said that the commissions notifying guys 48 hours before a test is dumb. In closing, the Olympic style testing occurs whenever the tester shows up!
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Manny agreed to urine tests up to the fight night and immediately after the fight. How is this giving a window to cheat?

Floyd however, is insisting on using an outdated blood test which has been proven to be useless with a record of ZERO effectiveness in catching cheats, which Tygard actually EMPHASIZED. Don't you get it? The tests Mayweather was asking for was USELESS. Tygart himself said so.

The newer, better tests are now urine tests which Manny was more than willing to take.

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NO, it's not. The onus is on the grounds/proofs and the credibility of the accuser.

Just like someone who wants to impeach the president, does it hold any water towards an impeachment trial?

NOPE.

There has to be proofs and deliberations for a Congressional pre-trial to determine if it is valid first, then the actual impeachment trial begins.

Same thing with RAPE allegations to a "celebrity."

And so what proofs and character does the MAYWEATHER have against a spotless Pacquiao? His records are unblemished to even raise a flag.

You fail , PEDS AND DISEASE same rules , no comparison no analogy to rape or anything outside the body , this aint pointing fingers , this is one athlete demanding his opponet be proven clean of illegal performance enhancing drugs , and will take the same tests himself , FLOYD HAS THE RIGHT TO ASK FOR IT , AND MANNY HAS THE RIGHT TO SAY NO but he will suffer the consequences on saying no as the onus is on Manny to prove he is clean and the world will view it that way you wait and see , its already happening , Manny will be forced by public pressure to take the tests if Floyd beats Mosley , engrave that in stone !