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Old 04-06-2018, 04:16 PM #431
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Travista and John l are a new item now, Chollo Vista is gonna be jealous. LOL.

For those who are capable of staying on topic and don't hijack threads, the original question posed in this thread was why does Johnson get a pass but Marciano doesn't. Two fighters who fought several decades apart. Back when writers and certain boxing fans were fawning over Johnson, they didn't have access to some of his fight films, or more importantly, his opponents fight films such as McVea and Jeannette, who upon further review aren't very impressive. Neither is Wills. It takes an objective mind to look at them without bias though. So for anyone who has already made up their mind that Johnson was an ATG, they likely won't be swayed or moved from that position, particularly those fans who are race-obsessed...ahem!

Johnson was romanticized through books, Hollywood and writers who needed a good hook for a story. Little has been spoken of how he often was much larger or experienced that most of his opponents, and how many of them were not as great as once celebrated. How he himself drew the color line as champion. But, that is taboo to say in this era of the racialist fans who choose their favorite fighters by the color of their skin. Gotta tow that PC line.

Anyone can look at the film available to see that Langford is the more polished of the black HWs of that era. Ahead of him time so to speak.

As for Marciano, he fought whoever was there at the time. Didn't duck anyone but the division was going through a transition period at that time. Louis was old and shot, Charles was never the same fighter after he killed a man in the ring and Walcott was getting on in years too. Moore was a decade or so older as well. In Marciano's defense, he never held a real size advantage as he was only 5'10" 180/5. He got into boxing late, and because of his exceptionally athleticism he could overcompensate for his lack of polish and finesse. I suppose the one criticism I would have of Rocky is that he retired just as things were heating up. Patterson and Liston were coming up and I think he chose to retire rather than face either of them. Though he may have had a chance to beat Patterson, Liston would have pummeled him.

it is odd though how today, fans will praise Wilder for beating a 38 year old Ortiz, yet, the 37 year old version of Louis that Marciano defeated was a far better boxer than Ortiz, and Rock was considerably smaller.
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Old 04-06-2018, 04:22 PM #432
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I think this pretty much sinks this thread.
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Old 04-06-2018, 04:27 PM #433
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LMAO going for the kill now huh.This should be stopped its starting to look like Cooney v Norton Mercer v Morrison.
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How he himself drew the color line as champion. But, that is taboo to say in this era of the racialist fans who choose their favorite fighters by the color of their skin. Gotta tow that PC line.
Oh, but did he really draw the color line? I've just shown proof that he agreed to fight Langford, McVey, and Jeannette.

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Anyone can look at the film available to see that Langford is the more polished of the black HWs of that era. Ahead of him time so to speak.
Refer to my last post where Johnson agreed to terms to fight Langford on December 26th, 1912.
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LMAO going for the kill now huh.This should be stopped its starting to look like Cooney v Norton Mercer v Morrison.
Well you already tried to school the guy. He just refuses to learn!

Oh well. Let him bask in ignorance.
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Travista and John l are a new item now, Chollo Vista is gonna be jealous. LOL.

For those who are capable of staying on topic and don't hijack threads, the original question posed in this thread was why does Johnson get a pass but Marciano doesn't. Two fighters who fought several decades apart. Back when writers and certain boxing fans were fawning over Johnson, they didn't have access to some of his fight films, or more importantly, his opponents fight films such as McVea and Jeannette, who upon further review aren't very impressive. Neither is Wills. It takes an objective mind to look at them without bias though. So for anyone who has already made up their mind that Johnson was an ATG, they likely won't be swayed or moved from that position, particularly those fans who are race-obsessed...ahem!

Johnson was romanticized through books, Hollywood and writers who needed a good hook for a story. Little has been spoken of how he often was much larger or experienced that most of his opponents, and how many of them were not as great as once celebrated. How he himself drew the color line as champion. But, that is taboo to say in this era of the racialist fans who choose their favorite fighters by the color of their skin. Gotta tow that PC line.

Anyone can look at the film available to see that Langford is the more polished of the black HWs of that era. Ahead of him time so to speak.

As for Marciano, he fought whoever was there at the time. Didn't duck anyone but the division was going through a transition period at that time. Louis was old and shot, Charles was never the same fighter after he killed a man in the ring and Walcott was getting on in years too. Moore was a decade or so older as well. In Marciano's defense, he never held a real size advantage as he was only 5'10" 180/5. He got into boxing late, and because of his exceptionally athleticism he could overcompensate for his lack of polish and finesse. I suppose the one criticism I would have of Rocky is that he retired just as things were heating up. Patterson and Liston were coming up and I think he chose to retire rather than face either of them. Though he may have had a chance to beat Patterson, Liston would have pummeled him.

it is odd though how today, fans will praise Wilder for beating a 38 year old Ortiz, yet, the 37 year old version of Louis that Marciano defeated was a far better boxer than Ortiz, and Rock was considerably smaller.
Now Wills cant fight either??????????then why did your hero duck him????????????Now I'm getting it your racist because you cant be that dumb to bring up Wills.Who by the way came up AFTER the other black fighters we were discussing.And as far as Marciano he would not have beat Johnson either and I have a pic of him(Rocky)on my wall.My 1st favorite fighter.And as far as age fighters got old quicker back then(more fights,advanced medical and a few more that should be obv.
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Well you already tried to school the guy. He just refuses to learn!

Oh well. Let him bask in ignorance.
Yea now he bashing Harry Wills??????????I mean the guy his hero wanted no part of.This is starting to sound like a racist maybe I'm slow on the pick up because I'm not black I guess it was there to be seen from beginning.
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Yea now he bashing Harry Wills??????????I mean the guy his hero wanted no part of.This is starting to sound like a racist maybe I'm slow on the pick up because I'm not black I guess it was there to be seen from beginning.
Man, it aint hard to tell. He always came across like a closet racist to me. I've called him out for that in the past.

Then he goes around claiming that everyone else is racist. You can give him proof of what you're saying, he will simply call you a racist and put you in the ignore box. Don't even bother.
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Travista and John l are a new item now, Chollo Vista is gonna be jealous. LOL.

For those who are capable of staying on topic and don't hijack threads, the original question posed in this thread was why does Johnson get a pass but Marciano doesn't. Two fighters who fought several decades apart. Back when writers and certain boxing fans were fawning over Johnson, they didn't have access to some of his fight films, or more importantly, his opponents fight films such as McVea and Jeannette, who upon further review aren't very impressive. Neither is Wills. It takes an objective mind to look at them without bias though. So for anyone who has already made up their mind that Johnson was an ATG, they likely won't be swayed or moved from that position, particularly those fans who are race-obsessed...ahem!

Johnson was romanticized through books, Hollywood and writers who needed a good hook for a story. Little has been spoken of how he often was much larger or experienced that most of his opponents, and how many of them were not as great as once celebrated. How he himself drew the color line as champion. But, that is taboo to say in this era of the racialist fans who choose their favorite fighters by the color of their skin. Gotta tow that PC line.

Anyone can look at the film available to see that Langford is the more polished of the black HWs of that era. Ahead of him time so to speak.

As for Marciano, he fought whoever was there at the time. Didn't duck anyone but the division was going through a transition period at that time. Louis was old and shot, Charles was never the same fighter after he killed a man in the ring and Walcott was getting on in years too. Moore was a decade or so older as well. In Marciano's defense, he never held a real size advantage as he was only 5'10" 180/5. He got into boxing late, and because of his exceptionally athleticism he could overcompensate for his lack of polish and finesse. I suppose the one criticism I would have of Rocky is that he retired just as things were heating up. Patterson and Liston were coming up and I think he chose to retire rather than face either of them. Though he may have had a chance to beat Patterson, Liston would have pummeled him.

it is odd though how today, fans will praise Wilder for beating a 38 year old Ortiz, yet, the 37 year old version of Louis that Marciano defeated was a far better boxer than Ortiz, and Rock was considerably smaller.
Great point there...
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That headline, doe! "Negro to get...." LMAO. Man, these were strange times.

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