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Old 02-09-2020, 05:46 PM #21
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ain't it funny how people try to say "Marquez was roided just as much as Pacquiao was", yet where's the evidence Pacquiao was ever roiding? Did Pacquiao ever hire a known steroid cheat for his trainer? Is Pacquiao still fighting while Marquez and the woman beater *floyd aren't due to their body breakdown from the steroids? Just look how fast Marquez's body deteriorated once he took steroids. Not even 3 years, and his knees broke down

Just looking at my sig, you can see the roid rage in Marquez. Bradley wasn't even doing anything but the roid rage got the best of Marquez
Floyd is older than Pacquiao and the only reason Pac still fighting is because he owes taxes in two countries. Meanwhile Floyd is promoting his fights. We all know Pacquiao was juiced to the gills in that fight against Marquez but it didn’t help him because he was ktfo for the third time. Pacquiao fans have every excuse in the book. I remember when he let school teacher Jeff Horn beat him up.
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Old 02-09-2020, 05:48 PM #22
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How come Marquez could never beat Tim Bradley?
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Old 02-09-2020, 05:49 PM #23
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He wasn’t ‘roided up like Marquez was for that fourth fight (and like your boy Canelo). Note, when JMM was asked for a 5th fight that would include VADA testing, he said not even for $100M. All you need to know.
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It’s not about the money. JMM got an iconic victory and that’s it. He closed that book and every time they ask him about it he gets that little smile on him. He’s feasting off tears til the end of his life.

What does Canelo even have to do with this? Lmao.


JMM was only as roided as Pac was. That’s why no one cared to see it again. How much better can you possibly beat a man outside of disconnecting him from his senses? Think a little. JMM was the better fighter. Nothing wrong with it. Styles make fights. You can argue the decisions but not KO. Let it go dude
Wait, did industry instigate articles that specifically said Marquez turned down $100mil and “VADA testing?” Its not like Pac would care for that considering Thurman vs Pac didn’t have VADA testing...

Or is it to just practical to say “no testing” because someone didn’t accept $100mil? Is that like Wilder turning down AJ for $100mil because there would be VADA testing? Lol
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Old 02-09-2020, 05:50 PM #24
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Anyone who turns down $100M is hiding something. His transformation from prior fights cannot be ignored.

Canelo is thread starter’s favorite fighter in case you haven’t noticed. Maybe Marquez was eating some of that tainted beef too.

JMM was not the better fighter. He lost two their fights and the first one PAC was robbed because a judge didn’t count one of the knockdowns. Marquez was getting beat in that fourth fight, on his way out in another round or two with a broken beak. Landed his Hail Mary and denied PAC a rematch. After PAC granted him two he didn’t need to offer. JMM is a coward and a cheat. Cry baby too, always claiming he was robbed when he loses.
So Wilder turning down $100mil is “hiding something?”
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Did Pacquiao ever hire a known steroid cheat for his trainer?
1.) Roach: “ummm I never approved Ariza shakes doe...”

2.) Roach: “I don’t feel we need to submit to random blood and urine if the commission doesn’t ask for it”

3.) James Toney and Roach doe...

But but it’s absurd for a network for HBO protecting an investment while using Floyd’s name too doe with Arum as the gangsta
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Old 02-09-2020, 05:57 PM #26
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How come Marquez could never beat Tim Bradley?
Cause maybe Marquez was 40 when they fought doe... you saying Marquez vs Bradley 3 or 4 would have been on Marquez’s 43rd bday?
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Old 02-09-2020, 06:03 PM #27
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Marquez has a granite chin. I don't think hes ever been hurt really. His knockdowns were just because he was caught off balance usually because he would throw those 7 punch combinations and his opponents had good timing.
Pac hurt him bad im round 5.... But Marquez is smart asf, experienced and a true warrior. Not too many guys would have survived that round
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Old 02-09-2020, 06:05 PM #28
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Oh lord.... Leave it up to NSB for this thread to go left.....
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Old 02-09-2020, 06:07 PM #29
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see, that is EXACTLY what I am talking about.....

immediately after the second Marquez fight, Manny Steward stated that Pac should consider retiring..... he said that Manny looked shopworn, and had been in too many wars.....

Manny then linked up with Alex Ariza

immediately following Pac's next fight against David Diaz, Steward was gushing with praise, saying that Manny looked rejuvenated/revitalized, and a completely different fighter... watch the video

and NO, Steward was not throwing Manny under a bus, he was simply commenting on what he saw

what happened next..... ? here, let me remind you.....

Pac then skipped through THREE DIVISIONS in 9 months, gaining 12lbs of muscle..... seemingly increasing his speed/power and (get this)... more than DOUBLING his punch output..... while looking as fresh as a daisy..... wtf?

you know absolutely nothing about boxing if that does not seem suspicious to you... Marquez had nothing on that "transformation"

Pac turned from a shopworn fighter, into a 1200+ punch dynamo, who (coincidentally) refused to test..... then, Pac just as suddenly reverted back into a normal 400-500 punch fighter who looked tired at the end of a fight, and (coincidentally) he suddenly had no problem taking blood tests

like I said... silly pacstains should STFU and steroids and cherry-picking... oh btw, catchweights is not a good topic for you muppets either
When I made the thread of Hauser for Macklin’s podcast guest appearance, Hauser said Pac was on stuff throughout his career. I even gave the TIMESTAMP. That thread wasn’t bumped nor replied in. You’d think those headlines would get a swarm of replies. Whom was Arum tight with at HBO! And whom was an HBO consultant? Margaret Goodman, VADA CEO has lifetime membership at BWAA... VADA came in 2011 from HBO, and Hauser amped it till this day. Hauser and BWAA gave Pac FOTD just to spite at Floyd. It all happened when Floyd shook industry for what this protocol should’ve already been into play.

All these fans have no idea or act stupid that random blood and urine was a boxing protocol before 2011, particularly on HBO. Arum, Pac, Rafael made the dumbest excuses for why it wasn’t needed!!!! LMAO
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Old 02-09-2020, 06:08 PM #30
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You do know guys that are smaller weight classes throw more punches right? FW to a small WW he was always the smaller guy. But as he got more solid in bigger weight division his punch out put went down. For you to assume it was because of PEDs shows your lack of knowledge for the sport or youre just an ignorant hater. which is it?



STOP !!

Pac was a normal 400-500 punch fighter, just like everyone else...

THEN, he jumped THREE DIVISIONS in 9 months, gaining 12lbs of muscle..... seemingly increasing his speed/power and (get this)... more than DOUBLING his punch output..... while looking as fresh as a daisy..... wtf?

THEN, when Pac finally agreed to testing, suddenly he was back to a normal 400-500 punch fighter... just like everyone else lol

you said that lighter fighters throw more punches... which I agree, is usually the case

so... why not this time, how was Pac able to DOUBLE his punch-output... AFTER leaping through THREE divisions in 9 months... at 32yo?
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