Tito Ortiz response to Dana White

[bigdunny1]

At everything level then or now UFC fighters are paid drastically less then their level counterpart in boxing. Prospects get paid more, mid level fighters get paid more and obviously the elite fighters get paid more.

UFC fighters were and are being ripped off. For example back in 2005 long before Floyd was a superstar he was the B side to Gatti and made 3.2M for a PPV that only sold 300K buys. After that fight he fought twice more on PPV Judah was paid 5M and 8M to fight Baldamir all fights that did around 300K buys. During that same exact time Liddell was making just 100-288K per fight for PPVs like his one with Ortiz that drew 892K PPVS.

https://thesportsdaily.com/2017/08/2...arnings-fox11/

Floyd Mayweather purses BEFORE fighting Oscar

Oct 3/98 – W (Hernandez) – $137,000

Dec 19/98 – W (Manfredy) – $500,000

Feb 17/99 – W (Rios) – N/A

May 22/99 – W (Juuko) – $400,000

Sep 11/99 – W (Genera) – $500,000

Mar 18/00 – W (Vargas) – $750,000

Oct 21/00 – W (Augustus) – $250,000

Jan 20/01 – W (Corrales) – $1,500,000

May 26/01 – W (Hernandez) – $2,200,000

Nov 10/01 – W (Chavez) – $1,800,000

Apr 20/02 – W (Castillo) – $2,200,000

Dec 7/02 – W (Castillo) – $2,400,000

Apr 19/03 – W (Sosa) – $2,800,000

Nov 1/03 – W (N’dou) – $3,000,000

May 22/04 – W (Corley) – $3,000,000

Jan 22/05 – W (Bruseles) – N/A

Jun 25/05 – W (Gatti) – $3,200,000

Nov 19/05 – W (Mitchell) – $4,300,000

Apr 8/06 – W (Judah) – $5,000,000

Nov 4/06 – W (Baldomir) – $8,000,000

No matter how you try to spin it UFC fighters were and are still getting robbed. Making peanuts compared to boxers who are seeing much bigger piece of the pie for the money that is generated from these PPVs and events. Liddell's entire career made less money then Floyd made in 1 night to fight Zab Judah and almost as much as he made being the B side to Arturo Gatti and this is years before Floyd fought Oscar and became a cross over superstar.

[Pigeons]

https://thesportsdaily.com/2013/09/1...arnings-fox11/

Chuck Liddell Career Earnings
* denotes an estimated purse

UFC 47 – Apr 2/04 – W (Ortiz) – $100,000 ($50,000 to show, $50,000 win bonus)

UFC 49 – Aug 21/04 – W (V. White) – $120,000 ($60,000 to show, $60,000 win bonus)

UFC 52 – Apr 16/05 – W (Couture) – $140,000 ($70,000 to show, $70,000 win bonus)

UFC 54 – Aug 20/05 – W (Horn) – $160,000 ($80,000 to show, $80,000 win bonus)

UFC 57 – Feb 4/06 – W (Couture) – $250,000

UFC 62 – Aug 26/06 – W (Sobral) – $280,000 ($250,000 to show, $30,000 Knockout of the Night bonus*)


UFC 66 – Dec 30/06 – W (Ortiz) – $280,000 ($250,000 to show, $30,000 Fight of the Night bonus*)

UFC 71 – May 26/07 – L (Q. Jackson) – $500,000

UFC 76 – Sept 22/07 – L (Jardine) – $500,000

UFC 79 – Dec 29/07 – W (W. Silva) – $550,000 ($500,000 to show, $50,000 Fight of the Night bonus)

UFC 88 – Sept 6/08 – L (R. Evans) – $500,000

UFC 97 – Apr 18/08 – L (Rua) – $500,000 *

UFC 115 – Jun 12/10 – L (Franklin) – $500,000

Liddell vs Ortiz 3 – Nov 24/18 – L (Ortiz) – $250,000



Chuck Liddell Career Earnings: $4,630,000

By comparison, Andre Ward got $5 and $6.5M for the Kovalev fights.

[bigdunny1]

And how much revenue did these events generate? And you're not showing his PPV cuts which probably doubles or triples the amount of his career purses

You can't pay someone more than they bring in, especially with the whole card being stacked.

UFC 66 Liddell vs Ortiz 2 2006.12.30 generated 892,586 buys.

https://www.tapology.com/search/mma-...w-buys-buyrate

He was paid
UFC 66 – Dec 30/06 – W (Ortiz) – $280,000 ($250,000 to show, $30,000 Fight of the Night bonus*)

Ortiz and Liddell in the leadup said they got little to no percentage of PPV, live gates and other revenue streams. Said this weekend's fight they were given true percentages of all revenue streams like they never received during their time with the UFC. The list of fighters like ortiz, Liddell, all saying they were robbed and continue to be robbed by the UFC is way too long to list. The amount of the pie that goes into these UFC fighters hands for these PPVS is disgusting. No where on par to what boxers get for their events.

[Eff Pandas]

What did Dana say first?

The most hilarious sh^t he's ever said I think. He had a whole comedy routine prepared for this post fight anger episode. In fairness he HATES Tito (was supposed to box him back in the 90's or 00's lmfao) & he LOVES Chuck & Chuck got his sh^t f#cked up Saturday.

But go look for the recent UFC Unfiltered podcast where Dana goes off on the whole event. Its solid roasting.

[LacedUp]

At everything level then or now UFC fighters are paid drastically less then their level counterpart in boxing. Prospects get paid more, mid level fighters get paid more and obviously the elite fighters get paid more.

UFC fighters were and are being ripped off. For example back in 2005 long before Floyd was a superstar he was the B side to Gatti and made 3.2M for a PPV that only sold 300K buys. After that fight he fought twice more on PPV Judah was paid 5M and 8M to fight Baldamir all fights that did around 300K buys. During that same exact time Liddell was making just 100-288K per fight for PPVs like his one with Ortiz that drew 892K PPVS.

https://thesportsdaily.com/2017/08/2...arnings-fox11/

Floyd Mayweather purses BEFORE fighting Oscar

Oct 3/98 – W (Hernandez) – $137,000

Dec 19/98 – W (Manfredy) – $500,000

Feb 17/99 – W (Rios) – N/A

May 22/99 – W (Juuko) – $400,000

Sep 11/99 – W (Genera) – $500,000

Mar 18/00 – W (Vargas) – $750,000

Oct 21/00 – W (Augustus) – $250,000

Jan 20/01 – W (Corrales) – $1,500,000

May 26/01 – W (Hernandez) – $2,200,000

Nov 10/01 – W (Chavez) – $1,800,000

Apr 20/02 – W (Castillo) – $2,200,000

Dec 7/02 – W (Castillo) – $2,400,000

Apr 19/03 – W (Sosa) – $2,800,000

Nov 1/03 – W (N’dou) – $3,000,000

May 22/04 – W (Corley) – $3,000,000

Jan 22/05 – W (Bruseles) – N/A

Jun 25/05 – W (Gatti) – $3,200,000

Nov 19/05 – W (Mitchell) – $4,300,000

Apr 8/06 – W (Judah) – $5,000,000

Nov 4/06 – W (Baldomir) – $8,000,000

No matter how you try to spin it UFC fighters were and are still getting robbed. Making peanuts compared to boxers who are seeing much bigger piece of the pie for the money that is generated from these PPVs and events. Liddell's entire career made less money then Floyd made in 1 night to fight Zab Judah and almost as much as he made being the B side to Arturo Gatti and this is years before Floyd fought Oscar and became a cross over superstar.

Comparing Floyd Mayweather, a U.S Olympian and top top top prospect to average UFC undercard fighters that no one has ever heard of. Fair comparison

[Eff Pandas]

UFC 66 Liddell vs Ortiz 2 2006.12.30 generated 892,586 buys.

https://www.tapology.com/search/mma-...w-buys-buyrate

He was paid
UFC 66 – Dec 30/06 – W (Ortiz) – $280,000 ($250,000 to show, $30,000 Fight of the Night bonus*)

Ortiz and Liddell in the leadup said they got little to no percentage of PPV, live gates and other revenue streams. Said this weekend's fight they were given true percentages of all revenue streams like they never received during their time with the UFC.

Tito has actually stated he got 10x these numbers with his PPV points. He's stated this fight was his biggest payday (he claims this fight Saturday could surpass it although last I heard they've just confirmed 200k+ thus far) at $2.9M.

And looking at the leaked numbers for Randy Couture's PPV points deal that works out as a lil lower but I'm guessing Tito got a better deal then Couture cuz Tito seemed bigger for longer back in the day.

Less than 100,000 buys: No money
100,000-175,000 buys: $1.00/buy
175,000-300,000 buys: $1.50/buy
300,000-330,000 buys: $2.00/buy
Over 330,000 buys: $3.00/buy

892,586 buys
-100,000 (NO MONEY)
792,586 buys
-75,000 ($1 a buy = $75,000)
717,586 buys
-125,000 ($1.50 a buy = $187,500 + $75,000 = $262,500)
592,586 buys
-30,000 ($2 a buy = $60,000 + $262,500 = $322,500
562,586 buys
-562,586 ($3 a buy = $1,687,758 + $322,500 = $2,010,258)

$2,010,258 + $280,000/disclosed money = $2,290,258

[bigdunny1]

Comparing Floyd Mayweather, a U.S Olympian and top top top prospect to average UFC undercard fighters that no one has ever heard of. Fair comparison

I compared floyd before he became a star to the then star of the UFC Chuck Liddell. But how about Andre Ward?

By comparison, Andre Ward got $5 and $6.5M for the Kovalev fights.

How about any boxing event ppv or non ppv they paid more. Crawford just made 3.6M to fight benavidez and that wasn't even ppv. UFC non ppv card purses?

https://mmajunkie.com/2018/11/ufc-fi...ld-cerrone/amp


DENVER – Fighters from Saturday’s UFC Fight Night 139 event took home event took home UFC Promotional Guidelines Compliance pay totaling $119,500.

The program, a comprehensive plan that includes outfitting requirements, media obligations and other items under the fighter code of conduct, replaces the previous payments made under the UFC Athlete Outfitting Policy.

The full UFC Fight Night 139 UFC Promotional Guidelines Compliance payouts included:

Yair Rodriguez: $5,000

def. Chan Sung Jung: $5,000

Donald Cerrone: $20,000

def. Mike Perry: $5,000

Germaine de Randamie: $5,000

def. Raquel Pennington: $5,000

Beneil Dariush: $10,000

def. Thiago Moises: $3,500

Maycee Barber: $3,500

def. Hannah Cifers: $3,500

Mike Trizano: $3,500

def. Luis Pena: $3,500

Ashley Yoder: $4,000

def. Amanda Cooper: $5,000

Bobby Moffett: $3,500

def. Chas Skelly: $5,000

Davi Ramos: $4,000

def. John Gunther: $3,500

Devonte Smith: $3,500

def. Julian Erosa: $3,500

Eric Shelton: $4,000

def. Joseph Morales: $3,500

Mark De La Rosa: $3,500

def. Joby Sanchez: $4,000

[Eff Pandas]

I compared floyd before he became a star to the then star of the UFC Chuck Liddell. But how about Andre Ward?

How about any boxing event ppv or non ppv they paid more. Crawford just made 3.6M to fight benavidez and that wasn't even ppv. UFC non ppv card purses?

https://mmajunkie.com/2018/11/ufc-fi...ld-cerrone/amp


DENVER – Fighters from Saturday’s UFC Fight Night 139 event took home event took home UFC Promotional Guidelines Compliance pay totaling $119,500.

The program, a comprehensive plan that includes outfitting requirements, media obligations and other items under the fighter code of conduct, replaces the previous payments made under the UFC Athlete Outfitting Policy.

The full UFC Fight Night 139 UFC Promotional Guidelines Compliance payouts included:

Yair Rodriguez: $5,000

def. Chan Sung Jung: $5,000

Donald Cerrone: $20,000

def. Mike Perry: $5,000

Germaine de Randamie: $5,000

def. Raquel Pennington: $5,000

Beneil Dariush: $10,000

def. Thiago Moises: $3,500

Maycee Barber: $3,500

def. Hannah Cifers: $3,500

Mike Trizano: $3,500

def. Luis Pena: $3,500

Ashley Yoder: $4,000

def. Amanda Cooper: $5,000

Bobby Moffett: $3,500

def. Chas Skelly: $5,000

Davi Ramos: $4,000

def. John Gunther: $3,500

Devonte Smith: $3,500

def. Julian Erosa: $3,500

Eric Shelton: $4,000

def. Joseph Morales: $3,500

Mark De La Rosa: $3,500

def. Joby Sanchez: $4,000

That last part are "promotion/sponsorship" money you bozo not their purses for the event lmfao.

Man idk why boxing fans don't care nothing about MMA unless money gets mentioned.

Come on man I expect better from you. You aren't ******ed like a bunch of these mfers are.

And as I've mentioned a million f#cking times to you not even casual MMA fans locker room bonuses are a thing in MMA at ALL LEVELS not just the UFC. This is some sh^t that isn't even a thing in boxing so how would you know about it, but all the same its something that exists. Consider it like Haymon second checks except these guys don't gotta be with Haymon to get their second checks.

Randomly Frank Mir gots one of the best locker room bonus stories I've heard.

UFC star Frank Mir is a family man.

When I visited him at his gym in Las Vegas a couple of years ago, he was working out with his dad, Frank Sr. His wife was there too with his young child in tow.

If it seems an idyllic scene, that's because it is. The Mirs are rich, filthily so, and enjoying every minute of it. It happened in the blink of an eye. A single phone call that changed their life.

Signs pointed to something very, very bad when the phone went clattering to the ground. Mir's wife wondered what was wrong. There were tears in the fighter's eyes, unusual to say the least.

Her worries were soon a thing of the past. No one had died. There was no family emergency. Mir had just gotten the word about his locker room bonus for his UFC main event with Brock Lesnar. He'd cleared almost an extra million dollars. That's enough to bring any man to his knees.

When Mir was UFC champion the first time, before the Fertitta family turned the sport of mixed martial arts around, he had to keep his day job as a strip club bouncer at the Spearmint Rhino.

In the post-Ultimate Fighter world, he's a millionaire. It's a touching story about a family that woke up to find they were living the American Dream.

[Roadblock]

By comparison, Andre Ward got $5 and $6.5M for the Kovalev fights.

And this is what ODH will be singing in their ears, White fears Oscar because of how a fighter is paid in boxing it is different than the UFC and the fighter makes a lot more, that money can entice a lot of big names to fight for Golden Boy MMA .

I can see why White would feel threatened by the venture.

[LacedUp]

I compared floyd before he became a star to the then star of the UFC Chuck Liddell. But how about Andre Ward?

How about any boxing event ppv or non ppv they paid more. Crawford just made 3.6M to fight benavidez and that wasn't even ppv. UFC non ppv card purses?

https://mmajunkie.com/2018/11/ufc-fi...ld-cerrone/amp


DENVER – Fighters from Saturday’s UFC Fight Night 139 event took home event took home UFC Promotional Guidelines Compliance pay totaling $119,500.

The program, a comprehensive plan that includes outfitting requirements, media obligations and other items under the fighter code of conduct, replaces the previous payments made under the UFC Athlete Outfitting Policy.

The full UFC Fight Night 139 UFC Promotional Guidelines Compliance payouts included:

Yair Rodriguez: $5,000

def. Chan Sung Jung: $5,000

Donald Cerrone: $20,000

def. Mike Perry: $5,000

Germaine de Randamie: $5,000

def. Raquel Pennington: $5,000

Beneil Dariush: $10,000

def. Thiago Moises: $3,500

Maycee Barber: $3,500

def. Hannah Cifers: $3,500

Mike Trizano: $3,500

def. Luis Pena: $3,500

Ashley Yoder: $4,000

def. Amanda Cooper: $5,000

Bobby Moffett: $3,500

def. Chas Skelly: $5,000

Davi Ramos: $4,000

def. John Gunther: $3,500

Devonte Smith: $3,500

def. Julian Erosa: $3,500

Eric Shelton: $4,000

def. Joseph Morales: $3,500

Mark De La Rosa: $3,500

def. Joby Sanchez: $4,000

hahahhahahha


this guy doesn't even look into his research