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Is Kell Brook the biggest BS’er in boxing?
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Originally posted by DreamFighter View Postand yet he has one world class win his entire career.
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Originally posted by Scopedog View PostThat's true but you can't judge a fighter solely by looking at their record book, you have to actually watch his fights too..
sure but eye test is worth something.
But one world class win is basically the resume of a transient one off opportunist titlist, someone who was lucky to get a title.
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Originally posted by DreamFighter View Postyou cant judge someone based on knocking out bums either.
sure but eye test is worth something.
But one world class win is basically the resume of a transient one off opportunist titlist, someone who was lucky to get a title.
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Originally posted by Scopedog View PostI don't know if you can say he was lucky when he beat Porter at his peak away from home. It's not like he won it vacant or on a fluke.
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Originally posted by DreamFighter View Postyeh but it does stink of Porter not being all that, though he does have Dev on his resume. And still, Kell beat a titlist, its good, its just its the only good his entire career so far.
I do get what you're saying though, the only big fights that materialised for him were Golovkin and Spence. I'm not even sure if Golovkin really counts, that was such an absurd physical mismatch that it should never have happened. Brook hit him clean a bunch of times and in the aftermath Golovkin said something like "He is good boxer, but he is not middleweight. His power, I no feel." I feel like in the loss to Spence, in the meantime, his performance was affected so much by the damage that he took in the Golovkin fight that I'm not sure that fully counts either, although I'm aware that sounds like a copout. I just wish we could be living in the timeline where he got some more decent opponents at Welter and didn't sign up to get broken by Golovkin like an idiot so we'd know for sure. I get your point that he doesn't have those so you can't really regard him as anything other than a one hit wonder, which I do understand, but I just feel like with Brook there are all these other complications and exacerbating circumstances and I can't help but wonder what might have been without them. I feel like we only ever saw the "true" Kell Brook against Porter and Alexander and against that string of rubbish opponents he had after that.
Maybe I'll meet you halfway and concede that Brook is ultimately an example of unfulfilled potential. Maybe he'll find himself again at LMW and prove us both wrong but like I said earlier, I doubt it.
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Originally posted by Scopedog View PostPorter's only ever lost close decisions to top level guys, so even if he's not at the absolute top of the pile he's still plenty legit if you ask me. When Brook stepped up to fight him he was a huge deal.
I do get what you're saying though, the only big fights that materialised for him were Golovkin and Spence. I'm not even sure if Golovkin really counts, that was such an absurd physical mismatch that it should never have happened. Brook hit him clean a bunch of times and in the aftermath Golovkin said something like "He is good boxer, but he is not middleweight. His power, I no feel." I feel like in the loss to Spence, in the meantime, his performance was affected so much by the damage that he took in the Golovkin fight that I'm not sure that fully counts either, although I'm aware that sounds like a copout. I just wish we could be living in the timeline where he got some more decent opponents at Welter and didn't sign up to get broken by Golovkin like an idiot so we'd know for sure. I get your point that he doesn't have those so you can't really regard him as anything other than a one hit wonder, which I do understand, but I just feel like with Brook there are all these other complications and exacerbating circumstances and I can't help but wonder what might have been without them. I feel like we only ever saw the "true" Kell Brook against Porter and Alexander and against that string of rubbish opponents he had after that.
Maybe I'll meet you halfway and concede that Brook is ultimately an example of unfulfilled potential. Maybe he'll find himself again at LMW and prove us both wrong but like I said earlier, I doubt it.
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