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Old 04-13-2018, 08:50 AM #1
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Finally, Vermont toughens its gun control laws

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Vermont’s Republican governor signs new gun restrictions

Vermont on Wednesday raised the age to buy firearms, banned high-capacity magazines, and made it easier to take guns from people who pose a threat.
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Still, rod and gun clubs dot Vermont’s bucolic byways, and in the fall hunters flock to the state’s woodlands. Predictably, some gun owners resented Scott’s shift to a stronger stance on guns.

Despite its crunchy reputation, Vermont has long been considered a laggard on gun control. Often proudly and obstinately so: Bernie Sanders, the state’s self-described socialist senator, helped protect the gun industry from legal liability for the human misery that its products cause, in a 2005 vote, and even opposed the Brady Bill expanding background checks for gun buyers in the 1990s.

So it was a watershed moment when Vermont’s Legislature passed, and the state’s Republican governor signed, an extensive package of measures that are the state’s first real effort at gun control. With Governor Phil Scott’s signature, Vermont leapfrogs ahead of many states that have resisted sensible gun control measures.

The legislation, which Scott approved on Wednesday, raises the minimum age to buy a gun in Vermont to 21. It expands background checks, and allows police to take weapons away from anyone deemed to pose a significant threat to themselves or others. It bans bump stocks, the weapon modification used by the shooter in last year’s Las Vegas massacre. The law also limits magazine sizes to 10 rounds.

In one respect, Vermont is now ahead of Massachusetts: Beacon Hill has yet to give courts authority to take weapons from individuals deemed dangerous, sometimes called a “red flag” law. The current authority only applies in cases of domestic violence.

Scott, a self-described Second Amendment supporter, was moved in part by an averted local tragedy. In February, the state was shaken when a former student was arrested after bringing a gun to Fair Haven Union High School near Rutland. Prosecutors say he was planning a mass shooting.


And they had their say. In an unusual spectacle, Scott signed the legislation at an outdoor ceremony, with both supporters and opponents looking on. Not too many politicians have jeering, placard-waving foes present as they sign major legislation, but Scott deserves credit for doing the right thing on guns — and for not shying away from his critics.
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Common sense gun legislation like the measures passed in Vermont will save lives and make their state safer all preserving individuals' rights to bear arms. Both sides win.
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Old 04-13-2018, 10:51 AM #3
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Common sense gun legislation like the measures passed in Vermont will save lives and make their state safer all preserving individuals' rights to bear arms. Both sides win.
If a neighbouring state has lax gun laws it won't be really matter.

Look at Chicago(Illinois) with tougher guns laws than Indiana so the criminals went and got their guns in Indiana and brought them back to Chicago to wreak havoc.
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Stupid, limiting gun magazines to 10 rounds? Unconstitutional and this Governor should lose his seat as soon as possible. Only thing I agree with is expanded background checks and the police having the capability of taking the firearms away if the person is deemed a threat, but then again I'd like to see by what measures they deem who is or who isn't a threat.
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Common sense gun legislation like the measures passed in Vermont will save lives and make their state safer all preserving individuals' rights to bear arms. Both sides win.
Look at what gun control policies got Chicago. And Detroit. And DC.

Only a fool would celebrate those policies being put in place where they live.
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Stupid, limiting gun magazines to 10 rounds? Unconstitutional and this Governor should lose his seat as soon as possible. Only thing I agree with is expanded background checks and the police having the capability of taking the firearms away if the person is deemed a threat, but then again I'd like to see by what measures they deem who is or who isn't a threat.
I'd bet he's toast.

It's a liberal State, yet somehow an R got elected. I don't see how he can win, knowing next race the R voters who believe in the 2nd Amendment won't vote for him.
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If a neighbouring state has lax gun laws it won't be really matter.

Look at Chicago(Illinois) with tougher guns laws than Indiana so the criminals went and got their guns in Indiana and brought them back to Chicago to wreak havoc.
You have to start somewhere. Vermont neighbors Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Maine and NY. Mass and NY have tough gun laws so we are making progress.
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In one respect, Vermont is now ahead of Massachusetts: Beacon Hill has yet to give courts authority to take weapons from individuals deemed dangerous, sometimes called a “red flag” law. The current authority only applies in cases of domestic violence.
I think the law has to be very careful with who is deemed too dangerous to own a weapon. But I agree that domestic violence is a pretty solid indicator.
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I'd bet he's toast.

It's a liberal State, yet somehow an R got elected. I don't see how he can win, knowing next race the R voters who believe in the 2nd Amendment won't vote for him.
Vermonts Democratic senator not named Bernie Sanders is outraged by this bill. Even the Democrats in the state are pro gun, yet this weasel fake Republican signs something as draconian as this bill into law? He just got elected in 2016, so he still has time to go before he is hopefully disposed of.
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You have to start somewhere. Vermont neighbors Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Maine and NY. Mass and NY have tough gun laws so we are making progress.
You'll disarm everyone in due time, then you'll be just like Venezuela.

What a lofty goal there.

I must ask, why do areas with gun bans like Chicago have high crime, but the areas with lax laws where y'all say the guns are coming from have low crime rates?

If guns were the problem, that simply could not be the case.

You got any explanation for this phenomenon?
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