Will Spence eventually make adjustments to make the Crawford fight happen?

[Rudyo]

Spence shouldn't have to make any adjustment. He has options.

Crawford will be fine fighting lesser opponents and getting paid well.

Aka Crawford has options too.....

Neither of them has enough of a fanbase or leverage over their promoters to get it done any time soon, sadly enough.... Will either "marinate" too long until one of them loses, Spence has to move up or the fight happens too late and interest won't be at its height.

[Santa_]

Spence doesn't have to make adjustments, he's the A side and he's got options. Thurman, Garcia, and Porter. Crawford is fighting Khan and trying to pass that **** off as legit. If anyone needs to be making adjustments it's Crawford. Spence is going to be making PPV money and gaining fame while Crawfish fights bums like Jeff Horn on ESPN+

What makes those guys better than Kavalavaliauskas?

[KTFOKING]

Aka Crawford has options too.....

Neither of them has enough of a fanbase or leverage over their promoters to get it done any time soon, sadly enough.... Will either "marinate" too long until one of them loses, Spence has to move up or the fight happens too late and interest won't be at its height.

Doesn't really have options to be honest, that's why Khan is his opponent for the upcoming PPV. Besputin could be a solid option in terms of a competitive fight down the road, but not many big names for him to fight. Just looking at the landscape and the upcoming fights, DSG is free and he fights on the same day Crawford. All the others are locked up but TR can try spending another offer to DSG, this time to actually Haymon in hope to get that fight for Crawford. Won't happen unless he is getting paid like 5-6M but that's what TR will have to pay after giving Khan around that much. If they can pay Wilder 12.5M then they should be able to pay around 6M to DSG.

[Bjl12]

No of course not. He will cry about being avoided whilst showing zero interest in fighting crawford.

Real question is, do you buy it when a fighter says the fight can't happen because the other fighter is on the other side of the street?

Yea, wait till Crawford is 34-35 and has declined a bit.

Yeah, basically this :-/

Fight not gonna happen till it makes sense to Arum. Bradley fought nobody outside of Manny/Marquez while signed to TR.

Top Rank and Arum were pushing Luis Collazo for Crawford on March 23rd. Good news is that Crawford isn't Errol Spence, Danny Garcia, Keith Thurman,or Shawn Porter. Crawford told Arum he would not take that fight and wanted better oppisition:

https://www.******.com/548137-terenc...-fight-at-msg/

Crawford instead targeted Danny Garcia after Angel and Danny belittled Terrence. The Garcia bros turned down $3m + PPV:

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/tere...ated-exchange/

Now Terrence is fighting Khan. In case you are confused - which you are - neither Danny or Khan fight under Top Rank.

Another pawn proved WRONG.

I dont understand the question here, its the promoters and networks that need to make the adjustments

I would say Larry just isn't aware, but this is the guy that changed his account name to "Man Down" after the Peterson fight.

Anyhow I just posted some links demonstrating Top Rank, Crawford's promoter, trying and successfully making a fight with 2 fighters from different promoters(PBC and Match Room)

Sup "Man Down"? Can't say your girl Erralda is in the wrong? Ever? What about Deyonce?

[Bjl12]

Doesn't really have options to be honest, that's why Khan is his opponent for the upcoming PPV. Besputin could be a solid option in terms of a competitive fight down the road, but not many big names for him to fight. Just looking at the landscape and the upcoming fights, DSG is free and he fights on the same day Crawford. All the others are locked up but TR can try spending another offer to DSG, this time to actually Haymon in hope to get that fight for Crawford. Won't happen unless he is getting paid like 5-6M but that's what TR will have to pay after giving Khan around that much. If they can pay Wilder 12.5M then they should be able to pay around 6M to DSG.

Want to make a bet that DSG makes less for his fight against Granados than he would've against Crawford?

Crawford has options. He's fighting Khan, a non Top Rank WW, and its a good PPV fight...it'll be better than Erralda and Mikey - guaranteed. Mostly because Khan isn't 2 weight classes beneath Crawford LMFAO

I love how these PBC groupies say "Crawford at Top Rank has no options" yet Erralda Spencer (who has ALWAYS been PBC) hasn't had 1 single good PBC fight in his entire career...despite supposedly having "options"

Where are the "options" boy? It's the same as being Crawford at Top Rank. You can't make someone fight you. A duck is a duck and it's EVEN WORSE when it's YOUR OWN promo company and you tell other guys (Crawford) you can't fight them b/c of promo differences...HOMIE YOU CANT FIGHT WHEN ITS THE SAME PROMO LMFAOOO....

A duck is a duck. Period.

[Scipio2009]

Sure, the OP has an agenda here but that's fine. LIS, you can nitpick certain quotes from both fighters. Both have more importantly said on numerous occasions that the fight will be made and it's up to both teams to make it happen.

The split PPV could work for Wilder/Fury as that one can legitimately do over 700k-800k buys. Doesn't necessarily even have to do 1M buys but get in that ballpark.

How much do we really think Spence/Crawford do? If say Crawford/Khan does 250k buys, and that could be really pushing it but let's say it does that, then are we to really think a fight with Spence does 600-700k buys? I mean we will see what Spence does against Porter but one will have to go to the other side for this fight, that's just the reality. Unless it can become that big fight that hits certain amount of buys that makes it worth it for FOX and/or SHO to do a split PPV with ESPN.

That's why I think if the PPV bombs and does less than 200k buys, it becomes more likely, especially if Spence/Porter does like 250k buys. Then a clear A-side will have emerged instead of what it is right now.

I think it's beyond clear who the A-side is, tbh. Only issue is that since said fighter isn't with Arum, Arum isn't going to consider the fight.

[KTFOKING]

Want to make a bet that DSG makes less for his fight against Granados than he would've against Crawford?

Crawford has options. He's fighting Khan, a non Top Rank WW, and its a good PPV fight...it'll be better than Erralda and Mikey - guaranteed. Mostly because Khan isn't 2 weight classes beneath Crawford LMFAO

I love how these PBC groupies say "Crawford at Top Rank has no options" yet Erralda Spencer (who has ALWAYS been PBC) hasn't had 1 single good PBC fight in his entire career...despite supposedly having "options"

Where are the "options" boy? It's the same as being Crawford at Top Rank. You can't make someone fight you. A duck is a duck and it's EVEN WORSE when it's YOUR OWN promo company and you tell other guys (Crawford) you can't fight them b/c of promo differences...HOMIE YOU CANT FIGHT WHEN ITS THE SAME PROMO LMFAOOO....

A duck is a duck. Period.

Um, when did I say he is making more money against Granados than he would fighting Crawford? That is relevant to what I said in what way?

And Spence just got Garcia who is a big name and did very good PPV buys and is set to face Porter later this year.

It's not a knock to say Crawford lack a options. That's just the reality of the situation. How many options does Charlo have at 160 or Bivol at 175? Different networks own different divisions and PBC owns for the most part 147 and 154.

We shall see just how good the fight will be and how well it does in terms of PPV buys. Maybe it does really does good numbers. Good for Crawford and everyone involved if that is the case. But last I checked, Khan hasn't had one decent win in years and just got dropped by Vargas last time out. And Crawford is a MUCH bigger favorite against Khan than Spence was against Garcia.

LIS, best thing to do will be to make DSG an offer as he doesn't have anything lined up opposed to Pac/Thurman/Spence/Porter. Will have to pay big bucks but that's really the only option. Does TR really want to make the Besputin fight next? Can you make the Mean Machine fight after getting a draw against Robinson?

[KTFOKING]

I think it's beyond clear who the A-side is, tbh. Only issue is that since said fighter isn't with Arum, Arum isn't going to consider the fight.

It's not beyond clear yet. Let's wait and see what Crawford/Khan does, but we are certainly heading into that direction. Will be interesting to see how many buys Spence/Porter does.

We shall see, what option would Arum have if a Co-PPV just isn't going to be realistic? I sense that Crawford puts major pressure on Arum and the fight happens even if it isn't an ESPN, despite Crawford's recent comments.

[Scipio2009]

Want to make a bet that DSG makes less for his fight against Granados than he would've against Crawford?

Crawford has options. He's fighting Khan, a non Top Rank WW, and its a good PPV fight...it'll be better than Erralda and Mikey - guaranteed. Mostly because Khan isn't 2 weight classes beneath Crawford LMFAO

I love how these PBC groupies say "Crawford at Top Rank has no options" yet Erralda Spencer (who has ALWAYS been PBC) hasn't had 1 single good PBC fight in his entire career...despite supposedly having "options"

Where are the "options" boy? It's the same as being Crawford at Top Rank. You can't make someone fight you. A duck is a duck and it's EVEN WORSE when it's YOUR OWN promo company and you tell other guys (Crawford) you can't fight them b/c of promo differences...HOMIE YOU CANT FIGHT WHEN ITS THE SAME PROMO LMFAOOO....

A duck is a duck. Period.

How much would you like to bet?

DSG Promotions is on the marquee, FOX is paying a good amount for the US TV rights, ITV is paying an amount for the UK TV rights, and Dignity Health looks to have already sold roughly 5000 of the 8000 seats available. To that, you can also add Granados not really earning like that.

Are you honestly trying to argue that Garcia's whole pay package is short of $3m on the Granados fight?

[Bjl12]

How much would you like to bet?

DSG Promotions is on the marquee, FOX is paying a good amount for the US TV rights, ITV is paying an amount for the UK TV rights, and Dignity Health looks to have already sold roughly 5000 of the 8000 seats available. To that, you can also add Granados not really earning like that.

Are you honestly trying to argue that Garcia's whole pay package is short of $3m on the Granados fight?

Well Garcia was offered $3m + PPV upside. It will be tough to gauge how much he would've actually made.

Since we can't do it that way why don't we do it another way.

I'll bet you that Danny Garcia will earn less than what Khan makes versus Crawford. One fight is nationally telveised and the other PPV

Interested?