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Old 01-01-2020, 09:30 PM #11
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Even after the WBC mandated he must fight Charlo to get to Canelo?

Also, why hasn't he agreed to rematch Dervenchenko?

He wants Canelo to rematch him, but he refused to rematch Derv and Jacobs.
There are going to be a lot of morons like Curt Henning and aboutfukintime talking bulls hit but I will explain the facts. They will say s hit like if GGG wanted the Canelo fight he could have fought Charlo and become Canelo's mandatory. But as we see with the WBC making Canelo their franchise champion (and freezing Charlo out) that is a bunch of crap. The fact of the matter this whole mandatory thing was ordered in early October 2018. HBO had all but permanently abandoned boxing by that point and GGG did not have a network deal. He wasn't looking for a fight by fight deal he was looking for a long term deal. So a fight with Charlo wasn't in the cards until that deal was secured. He had had ESPN, DAZN and PBC all bidding on him. If he signed with ESPN they would have built up a PPV fight with Ryota Murata that sold horrifically. If he signed with PBC a fight with Charlo wouldn't have happened right away. The fight would have been built up to a PPV level clash that did decent but not overwhelming numbers. But he decided to sign with DAZN because they assured him that he would get his desired trilogy fight with Canelo if he joined their stable.

So that's why the GGG/Charlo fight wasn't made when GGG was his mandatory. Don't believe the haters bull sh it. After all, Sergei Derevychenko is a PBC fighter and got a fight with GGG. He had to go to DAZN to get it. Charlo is perfectly content fighting the Brandon Adams and Dennis Hogan's of the world rather than a real threat.

Its a shame because that's one of the fights I really want to see.
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Old 01-01-2020, 09:43 PM #12
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absolutely no idea why Charlo/Andrade made... " no sense at all "

wtf... ?
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1) it appears that Golovkin detractors were correct

2) it appears that Golovkin fans still do not care

3) ... and this is the real kicker...

... apart from Canelo, who was a cashout... when has Golovkin EVER selected the best opponent... ?

NO, wait... it is much worse than that, I will change the question...

... when has a Golovkin selection ever been an opponent who was not the easiest possible (often reasonable, often not) option... ?

even in his top fights... Lemieux for example, was the easiest possible option to participate in a supposed championship-level fight... just like Derevyanchenko, rather than Charlo/Andrade, was the easiest possible option for a supposed championship-level fight

I have been watching Golovkin tip-toe through the tulips for YEARS... as his adoring fanbase insist that he is a fearless warrior... get this, maxi just created a thread rebuking fans for supporting fighters who will not step up

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I truly do not understand what some people see in boxing, and why they follow the sport... and the way some describe certain fights makes me wonder what they actually saw
his fans conveniently adopted the attitude "its not his fault...its everybody elses...point the finger everywhere else"
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Old 01-01-2020, 09:52 PM #13
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There are going to be a lot of morons like Curt Henning and aboutfukintime talking bulls hit but I will explain the facts. They will say s hit like if GGG wanted the Canelo fight he could have fought Charlo and become Canelo's mandatory. But as we see with the WBC making Canelo their franchise champion (and freezing Charlo out) that is a bunch of crap. The fact of the matter this whole mandatory thing was ordered in early October 2018. HBO had all but permanently abandoned boxing by that point and GGG did not have a network deal. He wasn't looking for a fight by fight deal he was looking for a long term deal. So a fight with Charlo wasn't in the cards until that deal was secured. He had had ESPN, DAZN and PBC all bidding on him. If he signed with ESPN they would have built up a PPV fight with Ryota Murata that sold horrifically. If he signed with PBC a fight with Charlo wouldn't have happened right away. The fight would have been built up to a PPV level clash that did decent but not overwhelming numbers. But he decided to sign with DAZN because they assured him that he would get his desired trilogy fight with Canelo if he joined their stable.

So that's why the GGG/Charlo fight wasn't made when GGG was his mandatory. Don't believe the haters bull sh it. After all, Sergei Derevychenko is a PBC fighter and got a fight with GGG. He had to go to DAZN to get it. Charlo is perfectly content fighting the Brandon Adams and Dennis Hogan's of the world rather than a real threat.

Its a shame because that's one of the fights I really want to see.
nah ****...i wouldnt say the **** youd think i would say.

"They will say s hit like if GGG wanted the Canelo fight he could have fought Charlo and become Canelo's mandatory."

...what id say is...how come DAZN aint putting up the money to have charlo come over and fight golovkin? but they are willing to put money up to have him fight the MW on their network nobody cares about and nobody watches?

isnt charlo/golovkin a unification too?!?!?!?

oh wait...they dont wanna risk golovkin getting chopped up because they just saw him almost lose it all......so they wanna give him some stiff in hopes canelo changes his mind after and fights him again

charlo too much of a threat to derail the canelo/golovkin fight theyve already overpaid for and still havent gotten....heck they could have given golovkin/andrade to us......but you know what? why do that when they can give you a fight with a guy that jacobs beat right? chenko was the known entity....the guy that lost to the guy you beat......instead of the uknown entity(we still dont know how good andrade is).....

you fgts cry that charlo should jump at the money for a unification with andrade......but why arent they offering for charlo to come over to fight golovkin? how come they didnt offer for charlo to come over when they fought chenko? how come they didnt fight andrade?

too much risk right?
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"Its a shame because that's one of the fights I really want to see."

then why fight chenko and not offer charlo?

heck why not have golovkin fight andrade instead of chenko?

why not offer charlo instead of having golovkin fight this guy coming up?
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Old 01-01-2020, 10:05 PM #15
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"Its a shame because that's one of the fights I really want to see."

then why fight chenko and not offer charlo?

heck why not have golovkin fight andrade instead of chenko?

why not offer charlo instead of having golovkin fight this guy coming up?
These are the same guys that have clamored for years that everyone was ducking him and the best should fight the best. They're also the same ones that hate Tank for not fighting Loma already, but they find excuses when G is mandated to face a guy in his own weight class for a title shot.

And that's not even covering his refusal to give Jabobs and Chenko a rematch.

I remember when they said it's about the best fighting the best, not the business aspects. Then once Golovkin became a business man and no longer wanted to face the best, they conviently defended it.
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These are the same guys that have clamored for years that everyone was ducking him and the best should fight the best. They're also the same ones that hate Tank for not fighting Loma already, but they find excuses when G is mandated to face a guy in his own weight class for a title shot.

And that's not even covering his refusal to give Jabobs and Chenko a rematch.

I remember when they said it's about the best fighting the best, not the business aspects. Then once Golovkin became a business man and no longer wanted to face the best, they conviently defended it.
golovkin is one of the biggest beneficiaries of the double standard when it came to business...they hate it for anyone else but it became ok with him...and then its like they forget they said it was ok for him...then turn it off and on like a switch its amazing

oh canelo told u go get a belt? then go fight andrade...or make an offer to charlo? nope go for the chenko that you know jacobs already beat

oh charlo should go to DAZN and unify with andrade? well why arent they offering him to unifry with golovkin? that would be neat wouldnt it....which one you think charlo would prefer? to fight golovkin or the guy nobody watches and they have to put youtubers on his card?

theyve literally been saying "best fight the best" all week since the tank fight talkin about tank/loma....now its a different story and they got a million excuses for golovkins ducks

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Dont mention Charlo..he's also in the al haymon witness protection program which included a free belt from the wbc gift shop...why doesn't charlo fight sergey or canelo vs sergeyo? Obviously they know from the ggg and Jacob fights that he is no joke...andrade also should've given sergey a chance instead of whatever joker he's fighting
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nah ****...i wouldnt say the **** youd think i would say.

"They will say s hit like if GGG wanted the Canelo fight he could have fought Charlo and become Canelo's mandatory."

...what id say is...how come DAZN aint putting up the money to have charlo come over and fight golovkin? but they are willing to put money up to have him fight the MW on their network nobody cares about and nobody watches?

isnt charlo/golovkin a unification too?!?!?!?

oh wait...they dont wanna risk golovkin getting chopped up because they just saw him almost lose it all......so they wanna give him some stiff in hopes canelo changes his mind after and fights him again

charlo too much of a threat to derail the canelo/golovkin fight theyve already overpaid for and still havent gotten....heck they could have given golovkin/andrade to us......but you know what? why do that when they can give you a fight with a guy that jacobs beat right? chenko was the known entity....the guy that lost to the guy you beat......instead of the uknown entity(we still dont know how good andrade is).....

you fgts cry that charlo should jump at the money for a unification with andrade......but why arent they offering for charlo to come over to fight golovkin? how come they didnt offer for charlo to come over when they fought chenko? how come they didnt fight andrade?

too much risk right?
Look at this mother f ucker with his lame arse excuses. Compare their resumes buddy boy. GGG already fought 2 guys who were with PBC. Charlo doesn't have the swag to demand anything from anyone.

Charlo got offers to come over and fight a tougher opponent on DAZN and he turned them down. He should have jumped at the chance but he didn't because lions only is just talk.
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Dont mention Charlo..he's also in the al haymon witness protection program which included a free belt from the wbc gift shop...why doesn't charlo fight sergey or canelo vs sergeyo? Obviously they know from the ggg and Jacob fights that he is no joke...andrade also should've given sergey a chance instead of whatever joker he's fighting
Yea...can you believe this nonsense from guys like Curt Henning. Talking about Charlo getting ducked meanwhile two PBC linked fighters fought GGG already and one of them did so on DAZN. Clown doesn't want to face facts that Charlo is content....perfectly content to fight soft opposition for big money rather than back up that lions only BS.
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golovkin is one of the biggest beneficiaries of the double standard when it came to business...they hate it for anyone else but it became ok with him...and then its like they forget they said it was ok for him...then turn it off and on like a switch its amazing

oh canelo told u go get a belt? then go fight andrade...or make an offer to charlo? nope go for the chenko that you know jacobs already beat

oh charlo should go to DAZN and unify with andrade? well why arent they offering him to unifry with golovkin? that would be neat wouldnt it....which one you think charlo would prefer? to fight golovkin or the guy nobody watches and they have to put youtubers on his card?

theyve literally been saying "best fight the best" all week since the tank fight talkin about tank/loma....now its a different story and they got a million excuses for golovkins ducks

LOL
It's the proven priveledge that we all know exists.

When Mayweather was a business man they hated him. Those same posters, they know who they are, gave Golovkin every excuse in the book when it came to being a business man.

Back when Golovkin was high risk low reward, they accused everyone of ducking him (I.e. mayweather, Martinez, etc), to name a few. As soon as someone else became a high risk low reward for him, they then rationalized for it, which is why I think it's racially motivated.

There's a reason they want charlo, Jacobs, Andrade and Canelo to fight each other. Hopefully, they'll be nothing left of them by the time it's time to face G. Which is odd, because this same group accused Mayweather, the black guy, of only facing out of prime fighters. Now they want Golovkin to only fight out of prime fighters.

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