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Old 04-26-2010, 07:20 AM #11
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Get real kid. The Eastern Europeans are dominating you. Froch, one of the crudest fighters around just beat Pascal, Taylor and Dirrell. All North American 'slick blacks'.
Where do the Eastern Europeans dominate us? I see the Klitschko's which have decent skill but are the only fighters (besides Haye) that are in shape in a divison full of poorly conditioned overweight athletes with good shape that the Klitschkos have and decent skill it is easy to dominate fat ****s like Peter or Arreola.

But besides the Klitschkos which eastern europeans do we have that dominate? Jep we have none!

The only thing they have besides the Klitschkos are paperchamps like Senchenko or hype jobs like Alexeev (lost to Ramirez) Dimitrenko (got undressed by Chambers) Shumenov (lost 2 times to Campillo) the other hype jobs like Boytsov and Golovkin will get undressed as soon as they face a real test.
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Old 04-26-2010, 07:21 AM #12
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Of course.... anyone would have problems with an elite fighter. James Toney was beaten soundly by that Tibieri dude though....outworked! I think the Hopkins Calzaghe fought was the hardest version he could have fought because he'd grown into LHW, dragged Calzaghe up in weight (surprise surprise form Hopkins there) and still lost in his own country.

American fighters are good sure but let's not get ridiculous.
To be fair to Toney is was quite apparent that after 3 rounds he had nothing left and that he was badly! out of shape, i think we can both agree that Tiberi would of been dominated with ease had Toney been in top shape.
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Old 04-26-2010, 07:24 AM #13
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Where do the Eastern Europeans dominate us? I see the Klitschko's which have decent skill but are the only fighters (besides Haye) that are in shape in a divison full of poorly conditioned overweight athletes with good shape that the Klitschkos have and decent skill it is easy to dominate fat ****s like Peter or Arreola.

But besides the Klitschkos which eastern europeans do we have that dominate? Jep we have none!

The only thing they have besides the Klitschkos are paperchamps like Senchenko or hype jobs like Alexeev (lost to Ramirez) Dimitrenko (got undressed by Chambers) Shumenov (lost 2 times to Campillo) the other hype jobs like Boytsov and Golovkin will get undressed as soon as they face a real test.
K-bros are dominant. Adamek appears to be dominant despite being a midget. (Sure, Chad beat him but meh Cunningham, Arreola, Banks, Estrada make up for that).....

That's about it actually lol.

SMW... we will see.
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Old 04-26-2010, 07:25 AM #14
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To be fair to Toney is was quite apparent that after 3 rounds he had nothing left and that he was badly! out of shape, i think we can both agree that Tiberi would of been dominated with ease had Toney been in top shape.
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Old 04-26-2010, 07:29 AM #15
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Its the different style of fighters, and personalities that make boxing the great sport it is. If every fighter fought like Mayweather or had Pacquioa's personality it would probably be boring as hell.
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Old 04-26-2010, 07:33 AM #16
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Calzaghe was fluid but i would not call him an "american style fighter" as he lacked defense and did not turn his punches over sufficiently, to me Calzaghe would have problems with a technical elite American fighter like James Toney, Hopkins (prime) or even to a lesser degree a Southpaw Reggie Johnson.

Calzaghe is a smart fighter though, he does have a Boxing brain to, would not say he is technically sound though, fluid yes.

I think Calzaghe adjusted well in the Hopkins fight even though i dont think he won the fight, what he did was, he assumed he could just walk in Hopkins front door and start unloading, however Hopkins showed him he could not do that so what Calzaghe did was he closed distance slowly and edged his way foward and counter punched off the front foot, what he did early which was a mistake was close distance too fast, you cant always do that with a good counter puncher.
I meant american style as in, he uses his brain. I know he doesn't turn his punches over and his defence wasn't that bad, really he didn't get hit that much. He was a defensive specialist but he wasn't Arturo Gatti.

I think he'd have problems with Toney in his prime certainly. He would have to watch out for the counter right. I'm not sure about Hopkins, as much as I like Hopkins (who is one of my favourite modern fighters) he has always struggled with guys who had faster hands than himself. I think it would be close. Reggie Johnsons a good call, he had a good counter right hook, though I think Joe would have beaten him stylistically its a hard fight.

I'm glad you realise Joe was more than just a "come forward, slapper" he was smart which is what I think alot of Euro fighters lack. They are taught the fundementals like jab right hands and footwork but not what to do when someone knows how to get around fundementals they look confused. I think Kessler learnt a little bit after the Ward fight. He seemed to be bending at the knees more, using subtle head movement. He was no defensive wizard but he has changed a little.
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Old 04-26-2010, 07:47 AM #17
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I meant american style as in, he uses his brain. I know he doesn't turn his punches over and his defence wasn't that bad, really he didn't get hit that much. He was a defensive specialist but he wasn't Arturo Gatti.

I think he'd have problems with Toney in his prime certainly. He would have to watch out for the counter right. I'm not sure about Hopkins, as much as I like Hopkins (who is one of my favourite modern fighters) he has always struggled with guys who had faster hands than himself. I think it would be close. Reggie Johnsons a good call, he had a good counter right hook, though I think Joe would have beaten him stylistically its a hard fight.

I'm glad you realise Joe was more than just a "come forward, slapper" he was smart which is what I think alot of Euro fighters lack. They are taught the fundementals like jab right hands and footwork but not what to do when someone knows how to get around fundementals they look confused. I think Kessler learnt a little bit after the Ward fight. He seemed to be bending at the knees more, using subtle head movement. He was no defensive wizard but he has changed a little.

I meant american style as in, he uses his brain

Well when you say it like that then yeah i agree, also i think his defense was his offense a lot of the time, i would not question his defense so much against the likes of Mitchell, Brewer etc as they are not cute enough to exploit him consistently and win, technical(elite) counter punchers would be imo. Calzaghe did not get hit a lot but he did get nailed some solid/clean shots in fights against fighters like Kessler, Eubank, Reid, Brewer and even against older versions of Hopkins and Jones.

I feel Calzaghe fought to square sometimes when he got aggressive, swung wide and was a bit to gun ho, i dont think that would of worked against a smart technical fighter who could punch inbetween his punches, i think we saw signs of that against Hopkins. To me Calzaghe fought a lot of straight ahead guys but not many technically sound fighters, that is where i have reservations with him, Hopkins was slick but old, not able to keep pace.

I personally think Hopkins would of had a better shot at him than Toney as Toney did not like to work 3 min a round even in his prime. I also disagree about Hopkins struggling with quick fighters but that is another story
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He seemed to be bending at the knees more, using subtle head movement. He was no defensive wizard but he has changed a little.

He did, that is something positive to see imo, even if its only a subtle change at least he is on the right track.
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Old 04-26-2010, 07:51 AM #18
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I like boxers that come to fight!

It's entertaining, it makes your PPV money go further.

To be honest I hate the American style of fighting, "hit and run" style ***** fights. Who always aim for the points decision, pot-shot style amateur boxing as opposed to getting into a real fight.

American fighters 10/10 for technibility 0/10 for entertainment.

European fighters come to fight, Kessler, Froch, AA, true warriors fighting on the cobbles. No running, no ducking, just all out warfare.

Europeans are hard hard hard men. Real men.

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Old 04-26-2010, 07:52 AM #19
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alright buddy, how about you dont watch the fight then and the rest of us will enjoy the richness of two tough mofo with power and chin standing and trading.
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Old 04-26-2010, 08:00 AM #20
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Im looking forward to the fight, agree it would be very technical and may not look pretty at times. Could be a great brawl though.

Froch has a great chin, one of the best in the sport i reckon, but im interested in seeing how it holds up against a big shot from Abraham, as the way Froch holds his hand low and gets tagged, im sure Abraham will connect.
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