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Old 04-26-2010, 06:37 AM #1
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How poor is Froch-Abraham going to look? everyone always said Kessler was a technical fighter but i have always called him more conventional than technical, what we saw in the Froch- Kessler fight was a poor standard of Boxing imo, technically anyway, we can expect much of the same with AA- Froch imo.

Euro fighters need to take a long look at the coaching methods because technically a lot of the fighter are light years behind, even Amir Khan who is supposed to be really talented had little in the way of defense before Roach took over.

American fighters dont generally win because they are tougher, they win because they are technically superior and fight with their heads, not their heart, Euro fighters need to get to grips with this concept.

Kessler-Froch was a good watch in terms of endeavor and heart though.
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Old 04-26-2010, 06:40 AM #2
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Get real kid. The Eastern Europeans are dominating you. Froch, one of the crudest fighters around just beat Pascal, Taylor and Dirrell. All North American 'slick blacks'.
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Old 04-26-2010, 06:42 AM #3
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Yeah American fighters are great technicians. It's just a shame that the majority of top Americans are boring as hell. I'd much rather watch Euro fighters, than Yank fighters.
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Old 04-26-2010, 06:43 AM #4
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Kessler used to be a technical fighter, personally I think he fought the way he did because his right hands and jabs were falling short because Froch was leaving his left arm out and would jab when Kessler threw his jab-right hand so it fell short.

Kessler had to loop the right hand. In previous fights he threw a crisp, straight jab right hand. That was not there in the Froch fight. Kessler is a technician his defence usually isn't that bad, because you can't get past his jab. Ward's movement made sure he could.
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Old 04-26-2010, 06:46 AM #5
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Get real kid. The Eastern Europeans are dominating you. Froch, one of the crudest fighters around just beat Pascal, Taylor and Dirrell. All North American 'slick blacks'.
Dirrell beat him, if Taylor had an ounce of stamina he would of won the fight with ease, Pascal was a good win but Pascal needs to beat somebody decent/ rated highly.

What that says to me is that a technically good fighter can lose to a one dimensional,tough, consistent fighter if he lacks the mental strength of a top fighter, Judah-Baldy etc, however one that will not capitulate mental will generally beat him clearly.
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I agree with TS. Looking at that fight from a purist and technical standpoint the fight was a horrorshow from both fighters. Froch with his arms down, Kessler allowing Froch to do so, the god awful footwork etc etc. The heart both men showed on the other hand..
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I know your not a fan of Calzaghe, but personally I think Calzaghe was what you describe as an "american style fighter" he was loose and made subtle adjustments mid fight.

If he fought against Kessler the same way he did the first 4 rounds he would've lost, same for Hopkins. He looks like he's just running in throwing slaps sometimes and not thinking about it because he has the stamina to do that but he was a smart fighter, a thinking mans fighter.
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How poor is Froch-Abraham going to look? everyone always said Kessler was a technical fighter but i have always called him more conventional than technical, what we saw in the Froch- Kessler fight was a poor standard of Boxing imo, technically anyway, we can expect much of the same with AA- Froch imo.

Euro fighters need to take a long look at the coaching methods because technically a lot of the fighter are light years behind, even Amir Khan who is supposed to be really talented had little in the way of defense before Roach took over.

American fighters dont generally win because they are tougher, they win because they are technically superior and fight with their heads, not their heart, Euro fighters need to get to grips with this concept.

Kessler-Froch was a good watch in terms of endeavor and heart though.
Whats in bold is something many don't pick up on. This is a little off topic but there's a difference between a technical fighter and a conventional one. Marquez-technical MAB(in your avatar)-conventional, Mayweather-technical Alfredo Angulo-conventional. Just wanted to throw that out there.
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I know your not a fan of Calzaghe, but personally I think Calzaghe was what you describe as an "american style fighter" he was loose and made subtle adjustments mid fight.

If he fought against Kessler the same way he did the first 4 rounds he would've lost, same for Hopkins. He looks like he's just running in throwing slaps sometimes and not thinking about it because he has the stamina to do that but he was a smart fighter, a thinking mans fighter.
Calzaghe was fluid but i would not call him an "american style fighter" as he lacked defense and did not turn his punches over sufficiently, to me Calzaghe would have problems with a technical elite American fighter like James Toney, Hopkins (prime) or even to a lesser degree a Southpaw Reggie Johnson.

Calzaghe is a smart fighter though, he does have a Boxing brain to, would not say he is technically sound though, fluid yes.

I think Calzaghe adjusted well in the Hopkins fight even though i dont think he won the fight, what he did was, he assumed he could just walk in Hopkins front door and start unloading, however Hopkins showed him he could not do that so what Calzaghe did was he closed distance slowly and edged his way foward and counter punched off the front foot, what he did early which was a mistake was close distance too fast, you cant always do that with a good counter puncher.
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Calzaghe was fluid but i would not call him an "american style fighter" as he lacked defense and did not turn his punches over sufficiently, to me Calzaghe would have problems with a technical elite American fighter like James Toney, Hopkins (prime) or even to a lesser degree a Southpaw Reggie Johnson.

Calzaghe is a smart fighter though, he does have a Boxing brain to, would not say he is technically sound though, fluid yes.

I think Calzaghe adjusted well in the Hopkins fight even though i dont think he won the fight, what he did was, he assumed he could just walk in Hopkins front door and start unloading, however Hopkins showed him he could not do that so what Calzaghe did was he closed distance slowly and edged his way foward and counter punched off the front foot, what he did early which was a mistake was close distance too fast, you cant always do that with a good counter puncher.
Of course.... anyone would have problems with an elite fighter. James Toney was beaten soundly by that Tibieri dude though....outworked! I think the Hopkins Calzaghe fought was the hardest version he could have fought because he'd grown into LHW, dragged Calzaghe up in weight (surprise surprise form Hopkins there) and still lost in his own country.

American fighters are good sure but let's not get ridiculous.
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