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How hard does Deontay Wilder hit compared to Foreman, Tua, Shavers etc?
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Originally posted by john l View PostRight behind Foreman probably. I always thought Shavers was a LITTLE overrated as far as his power. A good deal of his reputation came from Ali who built him up a bit with some of what he said" Hit so hard shook my kinfolk back in Africa". I think Ali did this for 2 reasons. 1st Shavers did hit like a truck, and 2nd it was a way to defect from Foreman who Ali did not want to fight again after 3rd Frazier fight in 75 which all but finished Ali. The Shavers fight was in 77, and by that time Ali did not have much left. Tua could really hit with the hook, but not on Wilder's level imo. Foreman had heaviest hands in history imo, and could punch with both hands. Wilder has more "snap" power much like a T Hearns. Its close, but I would still take Foreman with Wilder the 2nd hardest all time. Without a doubt though we are witnessing one of the most dangerous puncher's in history, and its a shame all the haters are missing it. Who hates a HUGE punching guy with a NASTY killer instinct??? No matter how bad his skills are compared to other top heavys in history.
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Shavers hit harder than Foreman he almost koed Ali with 1 punch, Foreman didnt come close to doing that neither did lyle, foreman got some flush head shots too, Lyle hit harder than foreman also, its obvious everyone has a consistent story and u can see the results , foreman was a better overall fighter because he had other attributes like a good chin, but this is about ppLast edited by AlexKid; 11-22-2019, 12:02 PM.
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Foreman can come forward liek a wrecking ball smashing everyone to pieces Shavers didnt have the chin for that or teh stamina although though I would loved to have seen it if he did
also he had longer arms which makes it more difficult to do what foreman did its hard to control those things, slower to combo up, but the end of the punches wow and foremans left was pretty awesome too shavers seemed to rely mostly on his right although he had a good left he just didnt use it liek foreman
Think long arms are harder to hook w ith too
fuk foreman had longer reach but its still the same liek compared to the rest of him his arms were not long, shavers had long arms compared to the rest of him , foreman was just a bigger guy
aNYWAY ENOUGH RAMBLING im tired of thisLast edited by AlexKid; 11-22-2019, 12:18 PM.
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Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC View PostExcellent post; good observations. It’s hard to say who’s really the hardest hitter, as there’s just no way to prove it, but Wilder is definitely in the conversation for hardest puncher ever. And like you say, the haters are really missing it. The first time I watched Deontay fight I couldn’t understand what people were missing. The man clearly has tremendous power. No mistaking it.
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Originally posted by AlexKid View PostShavers hit harder than Foreman he almost koed Ali with 1 punch, Foreman didnt come close to doing that neither did lyle, foreman got some flush head shots too, Lyle hit harder than foreman also, its obvious everyone has a consistent story and u can see the results , foreman was a better overall fighter because he had other attributes like a good chin, but this is about pp
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Originally posted by john l View PostThx a lot.Agree with everything. Wilder has also shown a big heart, and courage to take some of these fights. What manager would have fought Ortiz while trying to get the huge payday with AJ. Then he pizzes dirty, and Wilder has the PERFECT excuse to now avoid him, but ends up fighting him in next fight. Who would then fight Ortiz again with big money fight with Fury next? Not Fury although I don't blame him because he is now taking the Wilder rematch, but he did not take the risk Wilder is. Really one of the biggest "real dog" moves in boxing of late, along with Rodriquez fighting Nery after the Inoue fight. AJ was the REAL big money fight, and you really have to respect him for facing the two hardest guys to beat, and almost impossible to look good against(Southpaw with 300 am fights, and a 6-9 switchhitter who moves and fights like no one in division)
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Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC View PostYes. Again, people like to downplay Ortiz because of his age, but Wilder was the only one who stepped up. Ortiz showed how dangerous he was by almost stopping Deontay in the seventh. Now they want to say AJ was willing to fight him, but that was on short notice. Even now, I don’t see anyone clamoring to fight Luis, old or not.Last edited by john l; 11-22-2019, 06:54 PM.
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Originally posted by john l View PostGood points! Yea its clear Hearn wanted nothing to do with Ortiz. He is REALLY good working the press, and seeming like he is trying to make certain fights. Boxing is a small world, and Hearn KNEW when he put that out about tying to get Ortiz that Ortiz was already in talks about the Wilder rematch. Hearn had Ortiz under contract and STILL did not make that fight. During the whole AJ v Wilder talks he played with Wilder(who does his own speaking without a full time promoter, and a manager that don't speak to press) like a cat plays with a mouse.
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Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC View PostYessir.
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