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Old 05-14-2018, 07:30 PM #11
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I know what you're saying, but I've seen many fights where a guy got an extended amount of time because the opponent would not get in a neutral corner. I don't know what considerations were in effect for that to happen, but I've definitely seen it many times.
That's not how it's supposed to work. The guy out of the ring keeps count.
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Old 05-14-2018, 07:38 PM #12
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That's not how it's supposed to work. The guy out of the ring keeps count.
What I'm saying is, it happens sometimes.
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Old 05-14-2018, 07:41 PM #13
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I know what you're saying, but I've seen many fights where a guy got an extended amount of time because the opponent would not get in a neutral corner. I don't know what considerations were in effect for that to happen, but I've definitely seen it many times.
True a fighter will get extra time if the other fighter comes out of the neutral corner but he should not get more than 10 if the other fighter stays put after he's there. From what I could see, Loma stayed put.

Could be that the timekeeper and the ref miscommunicated the time I guess or that the timekeeper didn't start when he was supposed to.
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Old 05-14-2018, 08:01 PM #14
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How do the referees give the count? Is it based on real seconds, or is it simply an estimated count from one to ten not based on any actual time span?

Because in the case of Linares, he took 15 actual seconds to get up, but the ref was only reaching the end of his ten count.
Just as I remembered it. The ref picked up the count from the timekeeper at about seven (at least thatís the first number you can actually hear, ďsieteĒ). As I watched the vid, I knew the knockdown was coming, so I started counting the moment Linares hit the canvass. The timekeeper was maybe a second slower than me. Allowing for human variance, I would say the count was definitely fair. As others have already pointed out, itís a steady count, approximating seconds, not using an actual stopwatch. How did you get fifteen seconds? That seems pretty high.
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Old 05-14-2018, 08:14 PM #15
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Just as I remembered it. The ref picked up the count from the timekeeper at about seven (at least thatís the first number you can actually hear, ďsieteĒ). As I watched the vid, I knew the knockdown was coming, so I started counting the moment Linares hit the canvass. The timekeeper was maybe a second slower than me. Allowing for human variance, I would say the count was definitely fair. As others have already pointed out, itís a steady count, approximating seconds, not using an actual stopwatch. How did you get fifteen seconds? That seems pretty high.
I posted the Youtube timeframes in the pictures, if you look on the bottom part.
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Old 05-14-2018, 08:20 PM #16
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I posted the Youtube timeframes in the pictures, if you look on the bottom part.
Gotcha. Based on that clip you just posted, it looks like the ref counted 7, 8, 9, 10 in the span of about six seconds. In real-time, it didn’t seem to me the count was off by a serious amount. It was fair, in my opinion.
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Old 05-14-2018, 08:23 PM #17
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how bout that strange count by the ref a couple weeks ago for Jesse Hart ko over Demond Nicholson (undercard of Dogboe vs Magdaleno)
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Old 05-14-2018, 08:23 PM #18
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How do the referees give the count? Is it based on real seconds, or is it simply an estimated count from one to ten not based on any actual time span?

Because in the case of Linares, he took 15 actual seconds to get up, but the ref was only reaching the end of his ten count.


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Linares still down at 10:53, got up at 10:54
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The count started late because stupid loma was hovering over him
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Another thing is that technically, I'm not sure he ever stands completely upright..

4.1. A boxer shall be considered ďdownĒ when, as a result of a legal blow as ruled by the referee, who is the only person authorized to determine this, any part of their body other than their feet are on the canvas, or if they are hanging helplessly over the ropes, or if they are still rising from the down position and not standing upright.

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I really don't want to say Linars quit but watching this when the ref said 9 Linares was still hunched over ref didnt say 10 and gave him almost 2 more extra seconds before he called it off lol. Gave him every chance to continue but Linares body language was of a man defeated or broken.
No. When you get hit in the liver like that itís almost impossible to straighten out if it hurt you badly.

Thatís why you saw him go down and then kind of lean back. It looked like pain to me when he got up. Like he thought he was good and then at that moment just wasnt able to gather himself. Thatís why itís so impressive when you see guys survive shots like that.

Itís a horrendous feeling. Itís kind of desperation mode when it happens. You just kind of donít know how to handle that kind of pain. You almost want to just cry out of frustration, man. It sucks.

That body shot was so perfect. He killed him with it. Linares looked like he was starting to dig into Loma, no way did he quit. Just straightening your legs like that to get up was probably a superhuman effort.

I never question stoppages by body shots like that. Will only goes so far.
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