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Old 04-27-2014, 10:58 PM #31
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Marciano is underrated, Ali had reach and movement over Rocky but Rocky was a better inside fighter.
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Rock would stop him late lol.
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His best wins were over shot light heavyweights.

Marciano was an embarrassment to America.
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Most overrated boxer in the history of boxing....not only that but the Italian mafia interfered with most of his matches too
No we didn't interfere with his fights. Didn't have to..
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Greatest of all time.

People don't like Rocky for one reason only. He represents everything most people claim excludes you from greatness. He's a sword and shield warrior in an era when boxing fans believe boxing is a scientific sport. A gladiator after all the gladiators were replaced by fencers.


When you look at a puncher's style you'll notice there is levels to their boxing abandonment. Most punchers are going to reserve some level of boxing skills and techniques for when they need them. It's the biggest difference between Marciano and Frazier. Marciano steps very differently and covers a very different range because of it. Marciano also breaks classic footwork guidelines way more often than Frazier because of it. He's doing things wrongly. Things people were told specifically not to do. It makes what he is doing a mistake regardless of how incredibly successful he was. Now all you need is someone who knows better....which is like 90% of their arguments. "Blah-blah would school Marciano because Rocky was basic"

It's wrong if you are fencing, which most boxers are, but if you're a sword and shield what is your first move? Get right in front of your opposition and bump that ***** with your shield right? And a fencer does what? Stays on the outside looking for an angle. What's right for the boxer is not right for the puncher.

It's Daniel the Jew Mendoza you have to thank for popularizing the idea that boxing was scientific. Was the Jew a scientist of any regard? Nope. He was a salesman. He invented most of boxing as we know it today. Rile the audience in the press, use race relations to line your pocket, charge absurd rates, and defensive boxing all came from Mendoza.

Mendoza called boxing scientific because it was the 1790s....you know...the enlightenment, industrial revolution, science was a popular marketing tool. Because Mendoza made a ****load of money most wanted to replicate that. That's why throughout the 20th century you saw way more boxers than puncher and the puncher you did see are not true puncher....like Kovalev....dude can krush, but, he can also box pretty good and does it. Not a pure puncher is he? Most are going to perform the style that makes them money.

Fast forward a few generations and now you has this massive and vehement belief in Mendoza's boxing being superior in every way to Pygmachia or sword and shield because all the greats they have seen and know about are Mendoza School fighters except one.

So they make a ****load of excuses as to why that is instead of accepting the idea that there are other paths to greatness.
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Greatest of all time.

People don't like Rocky for one reason only. He represents everything most people claim excludes you from greatness. He's a sword and shield warrior in an era when boxing fans believe boxing is a scientific sport. A gladiator after all the gladiators were replaced by fencers.


When you look at a puncher's style you'll notice there is levels to their boxing abandonment. Most punchers are going to reserve some level of boxing skills and techniques for when they need them. It's the biggest difference between Marciano and Frazier. Marciano steps very differently and covers a very different range because of it. Marciano also breaks classic footwork guidelines way more often than Frazier because of it. He's doing things wrongly. Things people were told specifically not to do. It makes what he is doing a mistake regardless of how incredibly successful he was. Now all you need is someone who knows better....which is like 90% of their arguments. "Blah-blah would school Marciano because Rocky was basic"

It's wrong if you are fencing, which most boxers are, but if you're a sword and shield what is your first move? Get right in front of your opposition and bump that ***** with your shield right? And a fencer does what? Stays on the outside looking for an angle. What's right for the boxer is not right for the puncher.

It's Daniel the Jew Mendoza you have to thank for popularizing the idea that boxing was scientific. Was the Jew a scientist of any regard? Nope. He was a salesman. He invented most of boxing as we know it today. Rile the audience in the press, use race relations to line your pocket, charge absurd rates, and defensive boxing all came from Mendoza.

Mendoza called boxing scientific because it was the 1790s....you know...the enlightenment, industrial revolution, science was a popular marketing tool. Because Mendoza made a ****load of money most wanted to replicate that. That's why throughout the 20th century you saw way more boxers than puncher and the puncher you did see are not true puncher....like Kovalev....dude can krush, but, he can also box pretty good and does it. Not a pure puncher is he? Most are going to perform the style that makes them money.

Fast forward a few generations and now you has this massive and vehement belief in Mendoza's boxing being superior in every way to Pygmachia or sword and shield because all the greats they have seen and know about are Mendoza School fighters except one.

So they make a ****load of excuses as to why that is instead of accepting the idea that there are other paths to greatness.
It's funny you bring up the sword and shield analogy, because I like to use a spear and shield analogy for the philly shell variation I was taught and use.

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Most overrated boxer in the history of boxing....not only that but the Italian mafia interfered with most of his matches too
So you are right and everybody else is wrong? Blaming the mafia is really grasping at straws. Where is any evidence of that?
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