Mass shooting in California.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

AGAIN, that's Old Testament scripture. Us Christians do not live as the OT says. We live as Jesus told us to live in the New Testament.

Once again, I've had to explain this concept to you. Why do you have such problems learning basic concepts? I grow tired of having to educate you on the same points/facts over and over and over....



Obviously not, as explained above.



Maybe so, but you don't see Christians acting this way. You do on the other hand see muslims resorting to the violence their holy book commands them to do.

So then everything in the Old Testament is not to be adhered to, ok good to know. I think you might have billions of Christians who disagree with you and this only shows the ignorance you have of your own book, and how Jesus himself in the New Testament said that EVERYTHING is to be obeyed.

ALL of it, with no exception. What you do, and what most religious people do, is you cherry pick. You quote the good parts, and throw out the parts that you know are obscene and immoral. Which congratulations, makes you more moral than your made up god.

Way to join the rest of the rational world.

[1bad65]

So then everything in the Old Testament is not to be adhered to, ok good to know. I think you might have billions of Christians who disagree with you and this only shows the ignorance you have of your own book, and how Jesus himself in the New Testament said that EVERYTHING is to be obeyed.

ALL of it, with no exception. What you do, and what most religious people do, is you cherry pick. You quote the good parts, and throw out the parts that you know are obscene and immoral. Which congratulations, makes you more moral than your made up god.

Way to join the rest of the rational world.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt." -unknown

Or if you prefer, the Bible actually touched on this as well:

'Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue.' Proverbs 17:28

I find it comical you actually think you know more about a religion you despise than someone whose been in said religion most of his life. That would be like me trying to say I know more about being as pro boxer and trainer than you do, despite you having done those things most of your life while I have not.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt." -unknown

Or if you prefer, the Bible actually touched on this as well:

'Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue.' Proverbs 17:28

I find it comical you actually think you know more about a religion you despise than someone whose been in said religion most of his life. That would be like me trying to say I know more about being as pro boxer and trainer than you do, despite you having done those things most of your life while I have not.

So now, because I'm an atheist that disqualifies me from having an opinion on these matters?

Also notice how I didn't weasel my way out like you would have screaming Strawman! when you diverted the argument. I got your point, and addressed it, like adults do.

I also don't discredit your opinion of boxing either. Just because I fought and I train, in no way shape or form makes my opinion superior to yours. I may have insight you don't have because of experience, but some of the greatest trainers and boxing historians never laced them up.

Jesus specifically said that the old testament is to be obeyed, to the last tittle of the law to be exact. The reason Christians don't adhere to these things, is because democracy and capitalism happened, thank goodness.

Once the church was taken out of govt, the world became a better place. Christianity was reformed, and people like you realized that obeying the Bible literally is an incredibly immoral thing to do.

That hasn't happened in Islam. Trump is playing into the hands of ISIS and the extremists by marginalizing the moderates. We should embrace them so one day Islam can be like Christianity where 99.99999999% of the people following that religion don't take it literally.

[1bad65]

So now, because I'm an atheist that disqualifies me from having an opinion on these matters?

Strawman, again.

Also notice how I didn't weasel my way out like you would have screaming Strawman! when you diverted the argument.

Oh boy.

I never diverted the argument. I simply had to clarify what I actually said as you attributed statements to me I did not make.

Just because I fought and I train, in no way shape or form makes my opinion superior to yours.

I disagree, and find it comical you're now minimizing your own experiences in life to win an Internet debate.

Face it, if the topic is the nuances of boxing in terms of fighting and training, you're much more knowledgeable than I. Of course when the topic is my religion, our roles are reversed. It is what it is.

Jesus specifically said that the old testament is to be obeyed, to the last tittle of the law to be exact.

Wrong.

The reason Christians don't adhere to these things, is because democracy and capitalism happened, thank goodness.

Wrong as well.

Once the church was taken out of govt, the world became a better place. Christianity was reformed, and people like you realized that obeying the Bible literally is an incredibly immoral thing to do.

Wrong, and please, don't try and speak for me again.

That hasn't happened in Islam. Trump is playing into the hands of ISIS and the extremists by marginalizing the moderates. We should embrace them so one day Islam can be like Christianity where 99.99999999% of the people following that religion don't take it literally.

So what if we marginalize them? The moderates haven't fixed the problem in hundreds of years, and as others in this discussion have showed recently, they've actually openly declined to clean up their religion.

When the 'moderates' themselves openly refuse to clean up their trash, why do folks like you keep saying they will clean up their trash in due time? Please explain, as I cannot understand such flawed logic.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Strawman, again.

There you go....lol

Oh boy.

I never diverted the argument. I simply had to clarify what I actually said as you attributed statements to me I did not make.

Sure you did.

I disagree, and find it comical you're now minimizing your own experiences in life to win an Internet debate.

Face it, if the topic is the nuances of boxing in terms of fighting and training, you're much more knowledgeable than I. Of course when the topic is my religion, our roles are reversed. It is what it is.

No, what I am is honest, unlike you. What about Nacho Berenstien, Emannuel Steward or Bert Sugar? I would be a fool to think because I boxed, I know more than these men. Emmanuel had like 10 amateur fights, Nacho had 1 and Bert Sugar never been in a fight his entire life.

Yet these men know more about the sport, and are much more qualified to train fighters than someone like me. Like I said in my first statement, if you want to talk about knowing what it's like to be in there, sure but there's much more to the sport than that.

When I started apprenticing under a known trainer, I had to almost re learn the sport.

Wrong.

Mathew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill it"

Nope, I'm right.

Wrong as well.

Taking church out of govt is the biggest reason we don't have things like the Spanish Inquisition anymore.

Wrong, and please, don't try and speak for me again.

Oh you mean like you did when you said my Muslims friends may be secretly wanting to behead me? LOL your level of hypocrisy is astonishing.

So what if we marginalize them? The moderates haven't fixed the problem in hundreds of years, and as others in this discussion have showed recently, they've actually openly declined to clean up their religion.

When the 'moderates' themselves openly refuse to clean up their trash, why do folks like you keep saying they will clean up their trash in due time? Please explain, as I cannot understand such flawed logic.

It's because you don't understand history so I'm not surprised. Christianity was running a muck for over a thousand years before we took power from it.

Islam is in it's early stages and can be moderated as I stated before and much faster because of the internet and the influence of western culture.

You cannot combat an ideology with military force. It will not disappear, you will only create more terrorists. This has been proven over and over. I'm not saying don't react strongly to what has happened, but the strategy isn't just "kill them". That will never work. We need to prop up the moderates, and allow them to change the religion as Christianity was changed. Only then can we have peace.

[1bad65]

There you go....lol

Yup, I was pointing out your fallacy yet again. Like I keep saying; stop resorting to fallacy and you won't be continuously called out for it. It's really simple.

Mathew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill it"

Nope, I'm right.

That's not what you asserted, and you (like many others) have interpreted that ONE VERSE incorrectly anyway. That's what happens when one doesn't study the subject matter, but instead does a little online research just looking for good talking points to use in a debate.

Oh you mean like you did when you said my Muslims friends may be secretly wanting to behead me? LOL your level of hypocrisy is astonishing.

I said no such thing. There you go again.

And your level of reading comprehension is astonishing.

It's because you don't understand history so I'm not surprised. Christianity was running a muck for over a thousand years before we took power from it.

I was a History major in college. I know plenty about History, and obviously much more than you as I'm having to educate you on it as we speak.

And no, it was not "running amok". I suggest you study History as well as Debate.

Islam is in it's early stages and can be moderated as I stated before and much faster because of the internet and the influence of western culture.

LMAO!!! It's been around hundreds of years!!

Stop making excuses and spewing ignorance.

You cannot combat an ideology with military force.

Yes, you can. It worked wonders in WWII, for example. Of course we didn't fight WWII with 'rules of engagement', and we used horrible weapons at our disposal instead of worrying about looking mean. We used to fight like that, and we won wars. Now days, not so much. Go figure.

Heck, military force is what Jefferson used to stop the Barbary pirates. It worked then, and it will work now. That's something those people do fear, overwhelming force.

[Zaroku]

bombing is a SUPPORT thing. can't defeat an army with it.

we need ground troops to remove them. that's the problem.

we're dependent on syrian rebel groups, kurds, iraqi govt troops. so its taking a long time.

if we deploy a few brigades of us troops, they'd get mopped up in a month.

but sending ground troops is not a good idea. so we have to play the long game.

I agree. But this lack of real commitment is going to cost more lives. Soften them up real good with bombs, deploy stone cold killers, to get the job done, make em beg for peace. Peace comes about when war is so hellacious, that peace & compromise look like paradise!

Or we drop sexy sheep with canteens of liquor, to pacify the enemy. Then walk in and disarm them.

Allah isn't that Akbar if you have to kill in his name. If a mofo wants to kill, do it because you want to.

[Zaroku]

Hahahaha....

"Hey Trump, how do you plan to reduce the deficit?"

Trump - "You can bet I will make this country better, I have really good people looking into it."

He has a plan!! Donald has good people working on it now.

But he will build a wall, a really, really big wall!
Next he will take over all natural resources in the Middle East, oil, natural gas, etc.
Americanize everything.
Build lavish trump towers everywhere, with casinos!

He is the man with the Armageddon Plan!

Vote for Donald in 2016!!

[DeltaSigChi4]

Donald Trump is a White Supremacist with a mail-order bride with only White Supremacists as supporters.

This mass shooting in California happened because of the National Rifle Association and Republicans. Period.

They still don't want to keep terrorists from legally purchasing these deadly assault rifles. They have no shame, sense, or decency.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...n-control-laws

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Yup, I was pointing out your fallacy yet again. Like I keep saying; stop resorting to fallacy and you won't be continuously called out for it. It's really simple.



That's not what you asserted, and you (like many others) have interpreted that ONE VERSE incorrectly anyway. That's what happens when one doesn't study the subject matter, but instead does a little online research just looking for good talking points to use in a debate.



I said no such thing. There you go again.

And your level of reading comprehension is astonishing.



I was a History major in college. I know plenty about History, and obviously much more than you as I'm having to educate you on it as we speak.

And no, it was not "running amok". I suggest you study History as well as Debate.



LMAO!!! It's been around hundreds of years!!

Stop making excuses and spewing ignorance.



Yes, you can. It worked wonders in WWII, for example. Of course we didn't fight WWII with 'rules of engagement', and we used horrible weapons at our disposal instead of worrying about looking mean. We used to fight like that, and we won wars. Now days, not so much. Go figure.

Heck, military force is what Jefferson used to stop the Barbary pirates. It worked then, and it will work now. That's something those people do fear, overwhelming force.

I love the way you didn't quote the point I made about Nacho, Emmanuel Steward and Bert Sugar.

You are such a douche....lol