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Old 11-26-2020, 08:14 PM #1
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I heard that Louis people paid off the ref to stop the fight. Carnera had been playing possum and was getting Louis to tire himself out. He likely would have stopped Louis in the 15th round had the fight continued.
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I heard that Louis people paid off the ref to stop the fight. Carnera had been playing possum and was getting Louis to tire himself out. He likely would have stopped Louis in the 15th round had the fight continued.
I think it was the "Enquirer" that I read that same article.
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Old 11-27-2020, 03:43 PM #3
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To be honest the whole era is fishy to me

People can say what they like about Primo or Max being polcitical themselves, it really doesn't matter, they were definitely used as poster children for their dictatorships.

Louis is maybe just the American answer to that.

One thing about the world wars I find very interesting that doesn't get enough attention in my book is the fact that what really drives wars are economy and there were vastly different economic approaches between the Allies then there was the Axis in both wars...I don't remember what I's "team names" if you will were called at the moment.


Anyway, y'all dig this. HW boxers doing well goes hand-in-hand with political situations and economic rises around the world. America gets into boxing because of the American anti-immigration politics that began in the 1840s. Politically motivated. America takes control over boxing as Irishmen in America change American demographics and become a major economic force for the States. It's not because the English are super chummy with America in the 1880s. It's because Sully is so popular and there is so much economy around him the English can't deny his status above their own champion.

Fitzsimmons just happens to win the title during Queen Vic's Diamond Jubilee

Burns just happens to win the title the same timeframe as Canada being positioned as the economic force for the 1900s and their PM even gave a speech how the world will have to accept Canadian supremacy. Which would have taken place if not for WWI.

Okay, enough of that, let's get to the era in question:

The sanctioning body for Europe at the time was the IBU. Everyone in history section knows the IBU got bodied by Nazis and turned into the APPE then back into the IBU then into the EBU under the NYSAC/WBC. But, consider what happened prior.

The way IBU ranking would work was by a voting board. The way voting boards were established was by having representative in each IBU nation representing that nation's interest in the IBU. As the nations who join the IBU become more and more at odd politically speaking their voting become more and more bias. It is not by chance Germany never had a great HW prior or after Nazi reign or after nor is it by chance Italy is in the same boat with their own form of nationalism and dictatorship and single champion only during that era. The fascists by numbers took control of the voting majority of the IBU's ranking board and started giving their boys favoritism.

That's not even hidden or anything. That's what we know, not conjecture or assumption. We know there were no great HWs before fascist control, we know they formed a political block to force IBU ranking, and we know they favored their own.

That said, on an even playing field I'm not sold Primo would have ever been champion.

However, he was, and he was used politically for home nationalism.

I'm not sure, given the American economy, why America would take chances. I'm sure Louis got as favored by American forces as they possible could, however, that is conjecture, guessing.

Bribe for bride, fix for fix, there's no way Germany or Italy could keep up.

reel for reel and propaganda for propaganda there's just no way.

Germany even had better stuff then us at the time, but, their production was slow compared to the US.

Russia was broke and couldn't play.

The UK was suffering material shortages and had better things to do then play propaganda boxing.

I'm not sure any of the era was, ya know, not fixed. It seems too big, like too many powerful national forces have their fingers on too many buttons.


That said, Have you seen Primo box? Have you seen JL? It's kinda hard to believe Primo could beat Joe. Primo got taken to task by Godfrey. He wins but the fight is fixed, Godfrey proved without cuffs he'd've stomped Primo. I know triangle, but it's hard for me to see a fella who got taken to school by Godfrey as a Louis stopper.
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Is this serious? Like from a serious source?

He got floored three times in the 6th round before the ref stopped it; how the heck is that playing opossum? Louis was cracking and outlanding him clearly for most of the fight.

Following the last KD the ref was gonna let the fight go on, but Carnera was just standing there with his hands down, about ready to get decapitated. You cant claim getting floored multiple times in a minute is part of the plan.

If you really wanted to posit a conspiracy for this fight at least claim Carnera took a dive...thats how bad he showed in the end.
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Old 11-27-2020, 09:03 PM #5
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Is this serious? Like from a serious source?

He got floored three times in the 6th round before the ref stopped it; how the heck is that playing opossum? Louis was cracking and outlanding him clearly for most of the fight.

Following the last KD the ref was gonna let the fight go on, but Carnera was just standing there with his hands down, about ready to get decapitated. You cant claim getting floored multiple times in a minute is part of the plan.

If you really wanted to posit a conspiracy for this fight at least claim Carnera took a dive...thats how bad he showed in the end.
Makes perfect sense to me as well! GUys like you just do not get the big picture!! here is how it went down:

Seeing what happened to Johnson when he finally lost in Cuba... they realized there must be a genetic predisposition for black fighters to get really tired against hulking opponents... they went into a quantum computer that time travelled back for them... the computer calculated that even if Louis was able to go 15 rounds with ease... like most of his fights, against a juggernaught like Canero, Louis would suddenly, at 2 minutes and 30 seconds of the 15th round get really tired, and drop...

Lol Its a crazy theory indeed and yes, Canero taking the dive is the more logical conclusion.
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F troll thread. The Boxing History forum isn't for trolling. Go to NSB & post about how Tyson threw the Douglas fight to cash in on the 40-1 upset odds if you wanna troll.
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F troll thread. The Boxing History forum isn't for trolling. Go to NSB & post about how Tyson threw the Douglas fight to cash in on the 40-1 upset odds if you wanna troll.
i think you're just a joe louis fanboy tbh
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F troll thread. The Boxing History forum isn't for trolling. Go to NSB & post about how Tyson threw the Douglas fight to cash in on the 40-1 upset odds if you wanna troll.
Well said! I was trying to convey through sarcasm... If one just thinks, and watches the fight on Youtube...
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i think you're just a joe louis fanboy tbh
You know I finished posting and all... had my d i ck in my hand, sandwich in the other... but something was bugging me something fierce: Then it hit me! And I ate my d ick and put my sandwich back in my pants... I mean was I flustered!!!

I had left the site without seeing what that degenerate, idiot, troll Rick Taylor thought of this possible fix... Why I mean... I seriously had to know! What was his angle on this possible fix? What would he have to add to the discussion?

Get f ucked you idiot.
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You know I finished posting and all... had my d i ck in my hand, sandwich in the other... but something was bugging me something fierce: Then it hit me! And I ate my d ick and put my sandwich back in my pants... I mean was I flustered!!!

I had left the site without seeing what that degenerate, idiot, troll Rick Taylor thought of this possible fix... Why I mean... I seriously had to know! What was his angle on this possible fix? What would he have to add to the discussion?

Get f ucked you idiot.
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