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Old 12-13-2017, 04:54 PM #51
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So what you're basically saying is Rigo is a bum that fought other bums and Loma is some kinda boss for beating an old bum who came up 2 weight divisions. Is that right?
Haha what im,saying is rigo was a great amateur and didnt work on a pro game and got schooled by another amazing amateur that is turning into a very good, if not great pro. Pretty simple really. Common sense
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Old 12-13-2017, 05:12 PM #52
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I'd personally love to get trained by Rigo, he's an ATG, this loss has damaged him but I think he still has financial options in and out the ring. As much as I think it was lame as **** for Rigo to quit the guy is in one of the most hazardous sports in the world and I hate to see any boxer that's laced them up for our entertainment fall on financial hard times.

He's still the #1 guy at his weight, he should maybe look at fighting 4 fights a year while he can to put away as much money as possible, I also think many boxers would hire him as a trainer, look at his amateur and professional record, he has a lot he could teach.
I hope you’re right. Rigo might have some options as a trainer, probably as an assistant first. Casamayor has gone that route. But I do believe his fighting days are over. As we all know, Rigo was having terrible trouble landing fights before this debacle. Now that he doesn’t even have a belt to attract opponents, things aren’t likely to get better.
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Old 12-13-2017, 05:22 PM #53
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Didn't they elevate Bivol to "super champion" after Jack vacated his interim title and Ward's retirement?
No. Ward vacated the super title. Jack vacated the world title (a condition of receiving the title shot was that he'd vacate if he won). Bivol was elevated from interim champion to world champion. So it's possible the WBA could sanction Stevenson-Jack for the super title, although we'd be very disappointed if they did so.


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As for Jacobs, at the time of the GGG fight, I though there was only 2 WBA belts and not 3, thanks for the explanation.
No problem. Yes, there were three titles. Fans need to understand that the #1 thing preventing the WBA from eliminating titles quicker is that their customers (the promoters) don't want them to.
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No. Ward vacated the super title. Jack vacated the world title (a condition of receiving the title shot was that he'd vacate if he won). Bivol was elevated from interim champion to world champion. So it's possible the WBA could sanction Stevenson-Jack for the super title, although we'd be very disappointed if they did so.....

when the WBA ordered Golovkin/Jacobs, Mendoza stated that the winner will be the " true, unified " WBA champion

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..... No problem. Yes, there were three titles. Fans need to understand that the #1 thing preventing the WBA from eliminating titles quicker is that their customers (the promoters) don't want them to.
1) promoters do not " prevent " them from doing anything
2) money (greed) should not be the determining rationale for anything, let alone for determining who/how many, world champions they appoint
3) how is it even slightly possible to take the WBA seriously under those conditions?
4) how can you guys support this nonsense, and then justify a fighters position by saying "title doe"..... Murata is not a genuine world champion
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In a way I am glad they took his belt. There was nothing at 122 for him anyway. There are lots of live bodies at 126 he can go after. Change it up and start over fresh at 126 is his best option.
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when the WBA ordered Golovkin/Jacobs, Mendoza stated that the winner will be the " true, unified " WBA champion
GGG vs Jacobs took place on March 18, 2017. N'Dam had already beaten the interim champion on December 17, 2016. So when Jacobs lost, N'Dam became world champion, thus eliminating the interim title. This is how the WBA has been reducing their titles. By getting rid of the interim title first, then the super title.


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1) promoters do not " prevent " them from doing anything
Sanctioning bodies exist to create the illusion of independent championships. Their customers are the promoters. If they don't keep the promoters happy, they will go out of business.


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2) money (greed) should not be the determining rationale for anything, let alone for determining who/how many, world champions they appoint
Boxing is a business. It exists to make money.


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3) how is it even slightly possible to take the WBA seriously under those conditions?
Nobody said you should take them seriously. Personally, e hope that all of the sanctioning bodies go out of business.


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4) how can you guys support this nonsense, and then justify a fighters position by saying "title doe".....
Nobody said they support anything. It's time for you to retire that troll. Just because somebody explains why something happened doesn't mean they support it. You've posted this same fallacy dozens of times. Try to evolve.


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Murata is not a genuine world champion
He holds a recognized world title. You're free to recognize whatever you wish. We personally believe that if you look at the lineage of every major middleweight title, it's very clear the WBC middleweight title, by far, is head and shoulders above the others.
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GGG vs Jacobs took place on March 18, 2017. N'Dam had already beaten the interim champion on December 17, 2016. So when Jacobs lost, N'Dam became world champion, thus eliminating the interim title. This is how the WBA has been reducing their titles. By getting rid of the interim title first, then the super title.

I see where they went wrong

it used to be nice, back in the old days..... when boxers used to punch each other in the face to become a champion

so..... N'dam, and therefore Murata..... both became champs because Danny Jacobs lost, to some other guy?

makes sense
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Sanctioning bodies exist to create the illusion of independent championships. Their customers are the promoters. If they don't keep the promoters happy, they will go out of business.

Boxing is a business. It exists to make money.

Nobody said you should take them seriously. Personally, e hope that all of the sanctioning bodies go out of business.

Nobody said they support anything. It's time for you to retire that troll. Just because somebody explains why something happened doesn't mean they support it. You've posted this same fallacy dozens of times. Try to evolve.

He holds a recognized world title. You're free to recognize whatever you wish. We personally believe that if you look at the lineage of every major middleweight title, it's very clear the WBC middleweight title, by far, is head and shoulders above the others.

yep, they are a bunch of asshat's

interestingly..... since the advent of the second official sanctioning body, until now..... not one of the 4 official sanctioning organisations has ever been definitive

not..... once..... EVER lol

the ****ty WBA are nearly as bad as the ****ty WBC

Cliff Rold made a good point about Lebedev.....

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Will anyone really be home for the fights, or anything else for that matter, this weekend? Assume Last Jedi cuts into the interest of all else on Earth…No matter what one thinks of his style, or the way he exited the fight against Vasyl Lomachenko, what the WBA is doing in taking Guillermo Rigondeaux’s belt is disgusting. This is the same organization that let Denis Lebedev keep their strap after a fight with Murat Gassiev, despite entering a unified titlist. So one can lose in their class and keep the belt, but not dare to rise two weight classes? What the hell is wrong with the WBA? Sadly, that question has been a constant too often over the last few decades…Bad luck for Carson Wentz last weekend. Philadelphia Eagles fan or not, no one likes to see a kid having such a great year go down like that…Teddy Atlas and Stephen A. Smith screaming at each other was embarrassing for all involved. Do people really enjoy this nonsense? There’s too much sensational, and not enough substance, in the world of the sports talking head.
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GGG vs Jacobs took place on March 18, 2017. N'Dam had already beaten the interim champion on December 17, 2016. So when Jacobs lost, N'Dam became world champion, thus eliminating the interim title. This is how the WBA has been reducing their titles. By getting rid of the interim title first, then the super title.

Sanctioning bodies exist to create the illusion of independent championships. Their customers are the promoters. If they don't keep the promoters happy, they will go out of business.

Boxing is a business. It exists to make money.

Nobody said you should take them seriously. Personally, e hope that all of the sanctioning bodies go out of business.

Nobody said they support anything. It's time for you to retire that troll. Just because somebody explains why something happened doesn't mean they support it. You've posted this same fallacy dozens of times. Try to evolve.

He holds a recognized world title. You're free to recognize whatever you wish. We personally believe that if you look at the lineage of every major middleweight title, it's very clear the WBC middleweight title, by far, is head and shoulders above the others.


who is..... " we " ..... ?

and..... Murata is not a real champ
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it used to be nice, back in the old days..... when boxers used to punch each other in the face to become a champion
N'Dam won his title in the ring, as did Murata. Being upgraded later doesn't change the fact that you beat someone for your belt.


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Brilliant. Yes, there have been multiple bodies since the creation of multiple bodies. Good observation. Did you notice the sky is blue?
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who is..... " we " ..... ?
Do you really need the same thing explained to you a dozen times? This account is operated by three people. One of us has a relationship with the WBC, one of us has a relationship with the WBA and one of us has a relationship with the IBF. We ditched our previous accounts months ago to operate a single account jointly.


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