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Old 01-29-2019, 02:00 AM #111
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so oscar bought conte, and heredia, etc..
yeah, nevermind...
Nah Oscar wouldn't do that, they wouldn't have been in major damage control, he wouldn't shove kitchen utensils in his arse or be a cross dresser, and you wonder why I call you a fangirl, l show you a published medical study that concluded that clen will show up in your hair test if you consume it but NO, YOU DONT BELIEVE IT, CONTE SAYS IT CAN DETECT 1 trillionth of a gram but sometime doesn't show up, is conte an ex con for PED convictions, yes but you should believe him
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Old 01-29-2019, 03:15 AM #112
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It wasn't "small" amounts if other sports with testing programs league's better than boxing are suspending people for MUCH less amounts found in their system.

During the case where like over 100 under 18 soccer players tested positive for clenbuterol lets just say Canelo would have been on the high end of the scale out of all of those guys that failed.
Lol. Utter lies. Where are the disclosures of the low Traces from these soccer players? “High end.”

You’re saying VADA CEO Margaret Goodman was smoking crack when she said Francisco Vargas was to be given a second chance although he had 1.2ng, double Canelo? Andy Foster was advised BY VADA that they were low amounts.

The Canelo haters still can’t puzzle the witch hunt by WBC-CBP. The WBC wanted to set an example because Canelo kept on refusing the green strap, never promoting it.

Posters making up lies about “much less.”
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Old 01-29-2019, 04:15 AM #113
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Is it plausible, Sure

But the way it all went down make me think he’s dirty

Golovkins team supposedly asked for a extended testing period for the rematch ( seems like a odd request if they believe Canelo was a clean fighter )
Canelo pops dirty on the first 2 tests of the new longer testing period. What a coincidence.What seems likely is that Canelos team didn’t properly adjust their PED schedule to the new extended testing period. If it was a accident what are the odds of him popping the first 2 tests and not
Further along in training camp

Also all of Canelos former opponets and all the fighters / trainers that gave interviews stating that they believe he was a dirty fighter. Boxing is a small fraternity and like baseball when they were going through their steroid scandal. The athletes know or have a feeling who’s dirty and who’s not but won’t out a member of the fraternity unless they are caught . The fact that so many in the fraternity are on record saying Canelo is / was a dirty Fighter should be seen as a definite sign that he isn’t wasn’t a clean fighter l. But let’s chalk it up to jealousy.

I just think you look at how it played out and people in the sports opinion and the actual possibility of it being a accident is basically slim to none.
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Old 01-29-2019, 09:18 AM #114
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Nah Oscar wouldn't do that, they wouldn't have been in major damage control, he wouldn't shove kitchen utensils in his arse or be a cross dresser, and you wonder why I call you a fangirl, l show you a published medical study that concluded that clen will show up in your hair test if you consume it but NO, YOU DONT BELIEVE IT, CONTE SAYS IT CAN DETECT 1 trillionth of a gram but sometime doesn't show up, is conte an ex con for PED convictions, yes but you should believe him
so oscar buys the likes of heredia or conte who are already making big bucks, but doesnt buy a single reporter to follow up the story, not even the ones on his own magazing ?? lol, total damage control... makes sense...
by the way i never discredited the studies, but studies are not conclusive, i have seen many studies claiming they could have found the cure for cancer, aids, etc... i have yet to see a final word on any of them...

Im sure oscar paid for this too, even before knowing canelo will test positive, lol...

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Some scientists believe that this uncertainty might be alleviated by instituting a threshold for Clenbuterol — a level below which a positive would not be considered doping — but WADA has announced that it has no plans to change the status of the drug.

The current situation therefore remains: the outcome of each case is determined by whether or not an athlete can successfully argue that the evidence supports the conclusion that ingestion resulted from contaminated food.

Such evidence might include the location in which the meat was obtained or a hair test since Clenbuterol, like many other substances, accumulates in very small amounts in hair follicles. If an athlete has taken the substance over a period of time in the past, his/her hair test might return a positive for a period of six months or longer. Conversely, if the Clenbuterol resulted from a single incident, in which the subject had eaten meat for example, a hair test would almost certainly be negative.

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Old 01-29-2019, 09:34 AM #115
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consistent is an arbitrary term in this case. the best studies on groups of mexican athletes found alvarez to be at the very high end of what's acceptable for contamination, and he had several times, as much as 10-20 times as much, in his system as almost all of the athletes. that is not consistency.


there's no definitive proof that he's a cheat, but he's one of the most suspicious athletes in all of the sport. make no mistake, these guys hwo put on 20 lbs in 30 hours and look healthy every time they fight are not doign it naturally, that's just not how biology works. i remember watching his weigh in against mayweather from teh stands and the kid needed to sit on a chair because he couldn't stand!
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Old 01-29-2019, 02:54 PM #116
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so oscar buys the likes of heredia or conte who are already making big bucks, but doesnt buy a single reporter to follow up the story, not even the ones on his own magazing ?? lol, total damage control... makes sense...
by the way i never discredited the studies, but studies are not conclusive, i have seen many studies claiming they could have found the cure for cancer, aids, etc... i have yet to see a final word on any of them...

Im sure oscar paid for this too, even before knowing canelo will test positive, lol...

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Some scientists believe that this uncertainty might be alleviated by instituting a threshold for Clenbuterol — a level below which a positive would not be considered doping — but WADA has announced that it has no plans to change the status of the drug.

The current situation therefore remains: the outcome of each case is determined by whether or not an athlete can successfully argue that the evidence supports the conclusion that ingestion resulted from contaminated food.

Such evidence might include the location in which the meat was obtained or a hair test since Clenbuterol, like many other substances, accumulates in very small amounts in hair follicles. If an athlete has taken the substance over a period of time in the past, his/her hair test might return a positive for a period of six months or longer. Conversely, if the Clenbuterol resulted from a single incident, in which the subject had eaten meat for example, a hair test would almost certainly be negative.
You say studies aren't conclusive but you consider conte is, every word or statement he utters is gospel, you can't have it both ways! All Oscar needed was conte to say some favourable comments regarding the test, which he did, you don't take on board results from studies, proof is in the pudding as they say, a simple case of the public being mislead
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Old 01-29-2019, 02:56 PM #117
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consistent is an arbitrary term in this case. the best studies on groups of mexican athletes found alvarez to be at the very high end of what's acceptable for contamination, and he had several times, as much as 10-20 times as much, in his system as almost all of the athletes. that is not consistency.


there's no definitive proof that he's a cheat, but he's one of the most suspicious athletes in all of the sport. make no mistake, these guys hwo put on 20 lbs in 30 hours and look healthy every time they fight are not doign it naturally, that's just not how biology works. i remember watching his weigh in against mayweather from teh stands and the kid needed to sit on a chair because he couldn't stand!
Exactly right, could have been contamination but could have been cycling off as well, to say the hair test exonerated him is pure fantasy
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Clen is known for helping stamina. Too coincidental that Canelo starts using elevation masks, was going to have his first high altitude training camp, gets caught when they show up early. It's been known Canelo's stamina was average and needed improving. Why would he start doing stuff to really help his stamina all of a sudden? Where there's smoke, there's fire, and there was a **** ton of smoke early last year. And for people saying move the goalposts regarding hair tests, there's plenty of evidence that shows how unreliable it is with a simple goddamn search. Funny how people choose to believe someone like Conte when it benefits Canelo, despite how many experts say otherwise.
So does clen help stamina or does it increase size? Which is it?

Because Canelo critics in this very thread keep making comparisons of his physique before the first and second GGG fights, claiming that the loss in size when he was clean proves he was on clenbuterol before.

Also, his critics were asking for him to take the hair test. That's a fact. He did take it and they don't like the results so now the narrative is that the hair test isn't reliable after all.
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It wasn't "small" amounts if other sports with testing programs league's better than boxing are suspending people for MUCH less amounts found in their system.

During the case where like over 100 under 18 soccer players tested positive for clenbuterol lets just say Canelo would have been on the high end of the scale out of all of those guys that failed.
The amount was consistent with eating tainted meat.
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