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Old 01-09-2019, 10:22 AM #11
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It's really difficult to tell. Every generation in boxing history claims the same excuse. As if never once in the history of boxing has anyone ever trained their younger fighters explicitly to defeat the older generation. Like we've all trained every fighter ever to fight exactly the same way and so those who win are simply better at it then those who do not rather than ever claiming on a generational scale styles still make fights.

Is it prime that had Mike ducking the jabs of the late 80s-90s? Or, is it the jab itself had become overly touted and so a trainer saw a weakness across the division and exploited it?

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that's kind of a **** example but I wanted to use a figure everyone knows real well and can picture easily. I reckon you get my point though. When we see the old guard go we always blame prime and never once give credit to a damn fine gameplan.

Today in MMA jiu jitsu is not what it was in the early days of the UFC. No one in those early days claimed anything outside of " Well **** bubba it's a form almost no one knows nothing about". Losers claimed ignorance not a lack of prime or ability. However, once rolling the sport never again claimed a style swept through because it was tailored to beat the other popular styles. Now that's it's going it is always prime....seems kind of like a fantasy....you don't ever get always out of groups of humans and somehow we have an always in combat sports. When their time is up it is because they are out of prime never because their era's bull**** has had a script written for ending it.

Take Wlad for example. Did Wlad get old and fail to perform on the same level he used to or did Wlad be champion for so long he was forced to fight the children who grew up watching him and know absolutely everything about him and have trained their entire careers for him specifically without him making any drastic changes to his general fight plan to meet these children who are massively versed in all things Wlad?

I dunno, but I do question the consistency of "prime". It can't always be the reason the old guard lost to the new. Most, sure, always seems a bit of a stretch though.
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Old 01-09-2019, 10:45 AM #12
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A boxer would be his strongest and fastest between 24 and 29. Age 30 is the start of a gradual decline in strength and speed. It always has been and it still is. This can be seen in runners and swimmers where their times are recorded in different evens. Some boxers age very well and are almost as good at 35 or older as they were at 29. There will be some difference from boxer to boxer and how they take care of themselves. Guys like Hopkins and Mayweather may stay at their best well past 30 but for most boxers 30 is a bit past prime.
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Old 01-09-2019, 10:47 AM #13
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With fans their fav fighters prime usually ends one fight before the fighters first loss.
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Old 01-09-2019, 10:50 AM #14
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What do you consider a boxer's prime years? Obviously this differs for every fighter based on many factors but in general what do you think? 25-30? 30-33?

Thanks to his heavy steroid use I think Canelo's potential is yet to be reached, he might not hit his prime until he's 35 but it will only last a couple years.
How do you feel about Tyson Fury and Saunders heavy steroid use?

Has it affected their prime?
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Old 01-09-2019, 10:54 AM #15
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The prime years for any athlete are generally between 27-32. This is no different for boxers. Your prime years are affected by how you fight and how early you got started as a pro.

What really sucks is when guys like a Wilfredo Benitez or a Fernando vargas take a lot of damage early in their careers and they are physically and mentally damaged during their peak prime athletic years.
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Old 01-09-2019, 11:08 AM #16
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reaction speed is fastest in your teens, physical fitness becomes harder to maintain after 18, and physical changes to the skeletal frame after about 25.

losses noticeable by 30.

scientifically proven loss of lung power every year past 30.

peak of your knowledge at 40+.

so some medium between these.
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Old 01-09-2019, 11:16 AM #17
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28 I'd say. Best balance of experience and athleticism.
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Floyd has been in his prime his whole career according to everyone who hates him. Even at 41 he's still in his prime while every other fighter he fights is out of his prime. Go figure?
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What do you consider a boxer's prime years? Obviously this differs for every fighter based on many factors but in general what do you think? 25-30? 30-33?

Thanks to his heavy steroid use I think Canelo's potential is yet to be reached, he might not hit his prime until he's 35 but it will only last a couple years.
Itís a case by case basis...
All athletes peak differently.
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:51 PM #20
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Neither one of these great champions, could hit Davey Day
he never suffered a cut. In over 300 fights pro/amateur. He chopped up Armstrong, that a Doctor was called into ring 8th examining Hanks Gashed left eye. If it was a white guy, he would of stopped the fight and Davey would be Wel. Champion and was only a lightweight. Day stopped Pedro Montanez two weeks later, with another gashed eye. Day 137, Pedro was 145-150 lbs. Hardly any fighters that fought Day escaped getting cut up. Baby Arizemendi , got a deep gash across his nose, when you see a pic of him you can see the cut. A young 19 yr. old Sugar Ray Robinson in 1941 was scheduled to fight 30 yr old Day, and Rays manager withdraw for fear that Davey could cut open his eye. Bob Montgomery substituted and KO Day in the first rd. He didn't have a fight for eight months prior, as nobody wanted to fight him.

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