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  • Originally posted by travestyny View Post
    You do realize that he was set to do what they told him to do until the whistleblower complaint stopped it all.

    Open your eyes, son. The truth is right in front of your face, but you keep hiding from it.
    So what you're telling me is.....

    Ukraine got the aid.

    And

    Ukraine never investigated biden.

    So there was no crime.

    Got it.

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    • Even if aid was withheld and ukraine did investigate biden.

      It's a crime to not give money?

      It's a crime to investigate corruption?

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      • Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
        So what you're telling me is.....

        Ukraine got the aid.

        And

        Ukraine never investigated biden.

        So there was no crime.

        Got it.
        Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
        Even if aid was withheld and ukraine did investigate biden.

        It's a crime to not give money?

        It's a crime to investigate corruption?
        Um. Here is your crime.


        GAO finds Trump administration broke law by withholding Ukraine aid

        https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...lding-aid-from
        You got it now?
        Last edited by travestyny; 02-02-2020, 01:59 AM.

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        • Originally posted by travestyny View Post
          Um. Here is your crime.

          You got it now?
          Was it proven that the funds were delayed due to the investigation or even somehow linked to the investigation, or could there have been some other reason?

          Also, if Mr. A is running for office, but decides to go on vacation to Eastern Europe and rapes and murders a few people, and then his political opponent, Mr. B, asks said Eastern European country to help investigate what Mr. A did, then Mr. B is the guilty one?

          Is that the reasoning?

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          • Originally posted by Vlad_ View Post
            Was it proven that the funds were delayed due to the investigation or some other reason?
            This guy certainly thinks so. Claims it was "proved."



            I'm going to say yes.

            Originally posted by Vlad_ View Post
            Also, if Mr. A is running for office, but decides to go on vacation to Eastern Europe and rapes and murders a few people, and then his political opponent, Mr. B, asks said Eastern European country to help investigate what Mr. A did, then Mr. B is the guilty one?

            Is that the reasoning?
            What? What the hell is this actual mumbo jumbo?

            Biden was never under investigation, and in fact, it was stated clearly that there was never any evidence that he did anything wrong.

            How about Mr. President says I'm going to illegally withhold these congressionally allocated funds until country A does him favors to help the President politically.

            Should be perfectly legal, right?

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            • Originally posted by travestyny View Post
              This guy certainly thinks so. Claims it was "proved."



              I'm going to say yes.



              What? What the hell is this actual mumbo jumbo?

              Biden was never under investigation, and in fact, it was stated clearly that there was never any evidence that he did anything wrong.

              How about Mr. President says I'm going to illegally withhold these congressionally allocated funds until country A does him favors to help the President politically.

              Should be perfectly legal, right?
              So if Biden was never under any investigation, then where is the political favor?

              If the USA is giving hundreds of millions to Ukraine, then damn right the president has a right to make sure the money is properly spent.

              What is the issue? What about it then helped Trump politically and would influenced the 2020 election?

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              • Originally posted by Vlad_ View Post
                So if Biden was never under any investigation, then where is the political favor?
                You haven't followed the story? Why do we need to waste time going through what is already out there.

                Trump sought to smear Biden by getting Zelensky to announce investigations into Biden, whether they occur or not.

                If you are still confused about this, you are welcome to hear from Parnas or Sondland, or you could wait for Bolton's book. You also can simply look at the presented evidence which apparently convinced some republican senators.


                Originally posted by Vlad_ View Post
                If the USA is giving hundreds of millions to Ukraine, then damn right the president has a right to make sure the money is properly spent.

                What is the issue?

                Actually, he doesn't. lol

                What is the Impoundment Control Act?
                The Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 (ICA) reasserted Congress’ power of the purse. Specifically, Title X of the Act – “Impoundment Control” – established procedures to prevent the President and other government officials from unilaterally substituting their own funding decisions for those of the Congress. The Act also created the House and Senate Budget Committees and the Congressional Budget Office.

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                • Originally posted by travestyny View Post
                  You haven't followed the story? Why do we need to waste time going through what is already out there.

                  Trump sought to smear Biden by getting Zelensky to announce investigations into Biden, whether they occur or not.

                  If you are still confused about this, you are welcome to hear from Parnas or Sondland, or you could wait for Bolton's book. You also can simply look at the presented evidence which apparently convinced some republican senators.
                  Parnas is a joke.
                  Sondland already said “Nothing. No quid pro quo.”
                  Bolton said it was “a warm and cordial call” in August. His biased opinion after getting fired and embarrassed is irrelevant.

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                  • Originally posted by Vlad_ View Post
                    Parnas is a joke.
                    Yet everything he has said has been corroborated. Hmmm.

                    Originally posted by Vlad_ View Post
                    Sondland already said “Nothing. No quid pro quo.”
                    Actually, he said YES, there was a quid pro quo.

                    Originally posted by Vlad_ View Post
                    Bolton said it was “a warm and cordial call” in August. His biased opinion after getting fired and embarrassed is irrelevant.
                    Oh really now? Is that what he said under oath, or were they too afraid to hear what he would say, huh?

                    He could have told it all to the house, but he didn't. We all know what happened. That you're even still trying to pretend that everyone is lying except Trump is a big joke.

                    Once again, did Trump know Parnas or not? If you can't even be honest about that, there's no reason for you to discuss this with me.

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                    • Originally posted by travestyny View Post
                      Yet everything he has said has been corroborated. Hmmm.



                      Actually, he said YES, there was a quid pro quo.



                      Oh really now? Is that what he said under oath, or were they too afraid to hear what he would say, huh?

                      He could have told it all to the house, but he didn't. We all know what happened. That you're even still trying to pretend that everyone is lying except Trump is a big joke.

                      Once again, did Trump know Parnas or not? If you can't even be honest about that, there's no reason for you to discuss this with me.
                      Parnas having pictures taken around Trump doesn’t mean anything. Parnas was Giuliani’s boy. When your friend brings a friend and you guys are in the same room and get your picture taken, it does not mean that you know your friend’s friend. Trump sees thousands of people. Parnas was coming to events through Giuliani and had his photos taken in the president’s company to brag about it like a leech.

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