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Old 06-06-2019, 05:48 PM #21
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I don't recall who, but you said something like there was a popular misconception amongst most people that institutionalizing the mentally ill is evil/harmful and that "traditional" psychology treatments were effective. Maybe it was about gay or trans folk? I forget.
I do remember arguing that traditional psychiatric treatment should remain a prerequisite to "transitioning" because often treating an underlying disorder (like BPD) eliminates gender dysphoria symptoms before permanent physical damage is done.

Also, if they have an undetected psychiatric disorder, artificial hormone therapy can cause unpredictable mental health deterioration.

The missing variable there government... I've never asked for the government to go around picking up and institutionalizing transgenders, only that transition procedures should follow traditional psychiatric appointments.

That would be a terrifying precedent. They can already kick your door down, confiscate any weapons and treat you like a felon in "red flag" states if your jealous ex reports you as being insane or terroristic. No evidence required.

Parents who transition their underage children... That's a more difficult topic because it veers into child abuse law.
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Old 06-06-2019, 06:57 PM #22
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If you criminalise drugs people are less likely to tell people they need help from fear of arrest and prison.


Treating drugs addiction like a health issue the same as alcoholism makes people feel like they can get help.

Drug laws only really help the governments who are corrupt anyway.
Theres many problems with decriminalizing drugs mainly is the loss of civilty. Look at the cities/states which have turned a blind eye to drug use. Simple civil laws like vagrancy, urinating/defecating in public, loitering etc become out of control. Then other laws like petty theft & property crimes become abundant bcuz thats what druggies do, they steal & destroy to feed a habit.
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Theres many problems with decriminalizing drugs mainly is the loss of civilty. Look at the cities/states which have turned a blind eye to drug use. Simple civil laws like vagrancy, urinating/defecating in public, loitering etc become out of control. Then other laws like petty theft & property crimes become abundant bcuz thats what druggies do, they steal & destroy to feed a habit.


You only have to look at Portugal as an example. If people can get help without fear of prosecution and are less likely to end up with a criminal record, the more chance they have of getting off drugs if they want to and changing their lives.
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Old 06-07-2019, 12:23 AM #24
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Here's what the data says about Portugal's decriminalization:

Drug-related HIV infections have plummeted by over 90% since 2001, according to the drug-policy think tank Transform.

Drug-related deaths in Portugal are the second-lowest in the European Union. Just three in a million people die of overdoses there, compared with the EU average of 17.3 per million.

The number of adults who have done drugs in the past year has decreased steadily since 2001.
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Compared to rest of the EU, young people in Portugal now use the least amount of "legal high" drugs like synthetic marijuana, which are especially dangerous.

The percentage of drug-related offenders in Portuguese prisons fell from 44% in 1999 to 21% in 2012.

The number of people in drug-treatment increased 60% from 1998 to 2011 from 23,600 to 38,000.


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Shame replaced natural life..... if people want to get high.... let them.... decriminalize it..... as long as they don’t hurt bother anyone...

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Theres many problems with decriminalizing drugs mainly is the loss of civilty. Look at the cities/states which have turned a blind eye to drug use. Simple civil laws like vagrancy, urinating/defecating in public, loitering etc become out of control. Then other laws like petty theft & property crimes become abundant bcuz thats what druggies do, they steal & destroy to feed a habit.
I straddle this argument ....... I donít know how to fix chit homie... one of my closet homies had a ballon of heroin burst my family supplied it... prison visit....

We got super fast people addicted to garbage food... jhonny wont it...
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I do remember arguing that traditional psychiatric treatment should remain a prerequisite to "transitioning" because often treating an underlying disorder (like BPD) eliminates gender dysphoria symptoms before permanent physical damage is done.

Also, if they have an undetected psychiatric disorder, artificial hormone therapy can cause unpredictable mental health deterioration.

The missing variable there government... I've never asked for the government to go around picking up and institutionalizing transgenders, only that transition procedures should follow traditional psychiatric appointments.

That would be a terrifying precedent. They can already kick your door down, confiscate any weapons and treat you like a felon in "red flag" states if your jealous ex reports you as being insane or terroristic. No evidence required.

Parents who transition their underage children... That's a more difficult topic because it veers into child abuse law.
Which school of psychoanalyis sigmund , frankl? There are others. I can go on forever....
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Well liberals do like to force people to live how they want them to.

I guess pro-choice only applies to killing the unborn.


the idea that forced treatment / hospitalization / rehab / actual
F#cking help is somehow a greater measure of control by the state thant he conservative policy of throwing drug users and homeless into jail is:

well... coming out of your mouth... and just as stupid as everything else you've ever said. what's scary to me is that your stupidity is so damn common it got a man elected president.
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Which school of psychoanalyis sigmund , frankl? There are others. I can go on forever....
There are only a few schools of psychoanalysis. I donít think you can go forever. In fact I donít recall more than two. But Iím almost 20 years separated from my undergrad psych studies.
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the idea that forced treatment / hospitalization / rehab / actual
F#cking help is somehow a greater measure of control by the state thant he conservative policy of throwing drug users and homeless into jail is:

well... coming out of your mouth... and just as stupid as everything else you've ever said. what's scary to me is that your stupidity is so damn common it got a man elected president.
And that cluster fuk thinks heís the best president ever. Lol.
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