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Old 06-02-2019, 07:04 PM #21
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I still donít get this, he was born in America just like Cotto was, just like Margarito was. He was brought up in Mexicali, went to school there, fought there and had national titles as an amateur before coming back to America to set himself up. He can be whatever nationality he wants. To deny he is Mexican is as ignorant as denying he is American. He choose to rep Mexico from day 1 and I have no issues with that.
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Old 06-02-2019, 07:10 PM #22
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Yes they should

if they're not born and bred in Mexico then they're not real mexicans

they're chicanos/ pochos/ mexican-americans

Canelo and Gallo Estrada are mexicans

DLH, Robert Guerrero, Mikey Garcia, Andy Ruiz, Rios, etc

they're not mexicans and they're never gonna be

as things are now, Murica controls the HW division
Puerto Ricanís born on the island donít care so much about Puerto Ricanís born in the USA even though itís all the same thing in its commonwealth.

But your segregation is no different than a VISA control officers denying citizenship to anybody world saying, ďyouíll never be fully American.Ē In a country founded on melting pot culture. If Canelo didnít care he wouldnít root for Ruiz...

Stop your hate. The LDBC has infected your brain with caca sauce
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Old 06-02-2019, 07:10 PM #23
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He's Mexican and when I look at him I see a Mexican hvw champion. Foh with the snappy dialogue.
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Old 06-02-2019, 07:11 PM #24
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Yes they should

if they're not born and bred in Mexico then they're not real mexicans

they're chicanos/ pochos/ mexican-americans

Canelo and Gallo Estrada are mexicans

DLH, Robert Guerrero, Mikey Garcia, Andy Ruiz, Rios, etc

they're not mexicans and they're never gonna be

as things are now, Murica controls the HW division
What a stupid ****en post lmao...
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Old 06-02-2019, 07:19 PM #25
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No, I believe he was Puerto Rican.
This.

Ruiz was the first Latino HW title holder. This Ruiz is the first Mexican title holder. Or Mexican-American or w/e you wanna call it.
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Old 06-02-2019, 07:23 PM #26
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First off, do not get me wrong...no slight against any nationality, but I would be remiss if I did not express something that is starting to bother me about Ruiz and the narrative of the "mexican warrior."

First off: I have been saying since day one that Ruiz has talent and would be a success...My posts can be found here. I did not even count him out against Joshua, saying "I have not seen him recently" and preferring to just not pick on that fight because of this fact.

Adore Ruiz, and I am not a Mexican warrior, just a white boy from East Harlem which brings me to by point:

Ruiz is a Mexican American. He was raised in this country. He has every right to honor his roots but he is about as Mexican as I am well... I am a lot of different things lol.

Yes he has that fighting spirit, yes he fights in a style that is Mexican in many fundamental respects, but those fast hands, that will of iron was fed on Carnitas from California!

I hope people do not see this as a slight against Mexicans but the fact is fellow Americans like myself took a lot of crap on these boards about Ruiz's dimensions when we proclaimed he would be a success and I deserve to revel in his success as much as the next guy...Messican or otherwise...
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Old 06-02-2019, 07:24 PM #27
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I still donít get this, he was born in America just like Cotto was, just like Margarito was. He was brought up in Mexicali, went to school there, fought there and had national titles as an amateur before coming back to America to set himself up. He can be whatever nationality he wants. To deny he is Mexican is as ignorant as denying he is American. He choose to rep Mexico from day 1 and I have no issues with that.
The world has become a melting pot. Paulie is Italian-American. Gatti was Italian-Canadian. Badou is a African-Swede. This nationality sh^t is sorta crazy, but if you lived it & fill connected to it its a lot less crazy I imagine.
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Old 06-02-2019, 07:24 PM #28
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Puerto Ricanís born on the island donít care so much about Puerto Ricanís born in the USA even though itís all the same thing in its commonwealth.

But your segregation is no different than a VISA control officers denying citizenship to anybody world saying, ďyouíll never be fully American.Ē In a country founded on melting pot culture. If Canelo didnít care he wouldnít root for Ruiz...

Stop your hate. The LDBC has infected your brain with caca sauce
Canelo can root for them, it doesn't change things

I can understand mexicans or latinos in general rooting for Ruiz because of the latino heritage they have in common, but he's murican

if someone wasn't born and doesn't live in Mexico then he isn't mexican. Nobody considers DLH a mexican fighter, mexican sport journalists never considered DLH's achievements as part of Mexico, ever. Ruiz or Mikey Garcia are no different, they're
fake mexicans desperately trying to pose as mexicans for marketing purposes

It doesn't matter what a pocho from L.A feels, he isn't mexican. Just like transexuals will never be real women, but dudes who cut their dicks off

PR are a special case because they're a colony owned by their murican overlords, they know having real national pride is laughable on them as they don't even own their country, so they have less problems calling someone like Danny Garcia a prican even if the dude cant even speak spanish and has never lived on the island
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Both his parents are Mexican immigrants and he grew up just on the other side of the border, throwing distance to Mexico.

I don't blame him for his allegiance but I do feel he is dissing the US for not even mentioning the country that gave his family the opportunities they've had.

......... and for all you talking about "Mexican style" and Mexican trainers" *UNDERSTAND* HE BUILT UP HIS IMPRESSIVE AMATEUR CAREER AND AMASSED MOST OF HIS SKILLS UNDER A CUBAN TRAiNER.
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First off, do not get me wrong...no slight against any nationality, but I would be remiss if I did not express something that is starting to bother me about Ruiz and the narrative of the "mexican warrior."

First off: I have been saying since day one that Ruiz has talent and would be a success...My posts can be found here. I did not even count him out against Joshua, saying "I have not seen him recently" and preferring to just not pick on that fight because of this fact.

Adore Ruiz, and I am not a Mexican warrior, just a white boy from East Harlem which brings me to by point:

Ruiz is a Mexican American. He was raised in this country. He has every right to honor his roots but he is about as Mexican as I am well... I am a lot of different things lol.

Yes he has that fighting spirit, yes he fights in a style that is Mexican in many fundamental respects, but those fast hands, that will of iron was fed on Carnitas from California!

I hope people do not see this as a slight against Mexicans but the fact is fellow Americans like myself took a lot of crap on these boards about Ruiz's dimensions when we proclaimed he would be a success and I deserve to revel in his success as much as the next guy...Messican or otherwise...
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Imperial California is different, man.

In the high desert, basically right on the border with Mexico, closer to Mexicali that any even remotely urban area in the state. I get what you're saying but you've got to understand perspective.

As a "white boy from East Harlem", let's make an example; the distance is a little bit suspect for the comparison, but imagine your experience weighed against the experience of a kid from Massena, NY (Wikipedia, lol; town is supposedly the northernmost in New York state, right on the Canadian border).

Now a white kid from there would still be American and a proud New Yorker and all that, but do you honestly think that the tastes sensibilities won't be partially shaped by what they've picked up by being near Canadians their whole lives?

And then imagine the kid is native; with family lines and traditions that he can point to that come from before there was a Massena, nevermind the split between Canada and the US.

Work with me here, lol (few native population that I know of have been able to recultivate those old traditions to have someone identify as (specific tribe) and American, and no idea if any of those tribes are in upstate New York).

Andy Ruiz Jr can likely tracking his lineage back a good ways, with his line likely staying in that same high desert for generation upon generation.

Nothing wrong with being proud of your ancestry, right?
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