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Old 05-24-2019, 11:04 PM #191
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Wilder and finkel don't want to push for the fight. All this talk trying is going on about who wants what and who is trying to do what but finkel is making wilder v ortiz 2 and not wilder v Joshua.

It's fact, there's no denying it. Real men need to be pushing on wilder and finkel. Joshua and hearn are ready and waiting.
What are you taking about?Joshua and Hearn need a hit because Dazn is tanking fast.

Wilder verses Ortiz 2 is a great fight. First one was dope. Both guys understand how to sign a fair contract.

Joshua could of derailed it by just fighting Ortiz himself at a time when he desperately needs it. But that duck reflex is on automatic.

But he chose Ruiz. Now Watch this fight flop. No one in the states cared about Miller outside New York. But most don’t even know who Ruiz is.

Bad decision low balling Ortiz. He wasn’t even that risky with short notice. They should have taken the noticeable and winnable fight.

Now the fight will die a slow death. And Dazn will come for that arse. Eddie just doesn’t get the US market. And y’all can’t save him.
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Old 05-24-2019, 11:13 PM #192
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Lol so you have no counter for this debate then should just learn to admit you're wrong. I know I would if you can provide some sort of conclusive evidence greater than Ortiz's team blaming their promoter and saying they're still available after the ship has already sailed. Ortiz didn't fight AJ twice because of his own actions not Hearn or AJ's.
No just not going to do your research for you bumski. You still working on a blackberry pro?

Why is my internet so much better than yours. Just left the UK two weeks ago that WiFi was hummin and state side.

Why does yours only pick up Hearns comments? Man Fan losers kill me as it hurts your credibility not to have the whole story.

You are going to work for this discussion, like Takam working AJ before that fake stoppage.
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Old 05-24-2019, 11:18 PM #193
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You can't point out and be specific? You're just saying anything to avoid what I asked?

Don't worry trooper, it's not a surprise. It's always the same with the likes of you.
Lol...No bro you are really that corny and say nothing of substance. Golden rule, donít argue with fools because from a distance people canít tell who is who.

Get your knowledge up little cornball. You not ready!!
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Old 05-25-2019, 12:02 AM #194
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What are you taking about?Joshua and Hearn need a hit because Dazn is tanking fast.
DAZN has over 4 million subscribers, after gaining 1.2 million for Canelo vs Jacobs, and their debt went down 93%. This is "tanking" to you?

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Wilder verses Ortiz 2 is a great fight. First one was dope. Both guys understand how to sign a fair contract.
It's a solid fight, but who wants it more than a match against Joshua? Also, Hearn offered Wilder more money than he'll ever make fighting anyone else. Wilder's the one who started demanding 50%, and now even that's not enough for him. Wilder understands how to sign a fair contract? Not when it comes to AJ.

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Joshua could of derailed it by just fighting Ortiz himself at a time when he desperately needs it. But that duck reflex is on automatic.
First off, Joshua doesn't desperately need Ortiz. He has more belts, and earns more money than everyone in his division. Second, Wilder's the one who ducked a $120 million DAZN deal to earn less under Showtime, while pretending to be a free agent. You're making an ass of yourself.

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But he chose Ruiz. Now Watch this fight flop. No one in the states cared about Miller outside New York. But most donít even know who Ruiz is.
Even if it does flop, it'll still do better numbers than any of Wilder's matches.

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Bad decision low balling Ortiz. He wasnít even that risky with short notice. They should have taken the noticeable and winnable fight.
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Ortiz's largest payday was like $500k. Hearn offered him $7 million for the fight. That's 14x the most money he's ever made for a match, and he turned it down.

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Now the fight will die a slow death. And Dazn will come for that arse. Eddie just doesnít get the US market. And yíall canít save him.
What doesn't Eddie understand, why Wilder's wasting everybody's time? Obviously, he wants to milk Joshua for every cent he's worth. The thing is, he's doing it in a division where everybody's vulnerable. Wilder got a gift draw against Fury, and Joshua got stunned by Povetkin. Every fight AJ and Wilder take comes with a risk of throwing a wrench in the latter's plans. If the fight dies a slow death at this point, it's because Wilder let his greed ruin a great opportunity for him.
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Old 05-25-2019, 01:00 AM #195
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What are you taking about?Joshua and Hearn need a hit because Dazn is tanking fast.

Wilder verses Ortiz 2 is a great fight. First one was dope. Both guys understand how to sign a fair contract.

Joshua could of derailed it by just fighting Ortiz himself at a time when he desperately needs it. But that duck reflex is on automatic.

But he chose Ruiz. Now Watch this fight flop. No one in the states cared about Miller outside New York. But most donít even know who Ruiz is.

Bad decision low balling Ortiz. He wasnít even that risky with short notice. They should have taken the noticeable and winnable fight.

Now the fight will die a slow death. And Dazn will come for that arse. Eddie just doesnít get the US market. And yíall canít save him.
As much as i would of liked the Joshua v Ortiz fight i think everybody saw that Ortiz ducked the offers Hearn and AJ sent so Joshua has already as good as beat Ortiz, he made him run off. The duck was so blatant they should really be adding another 1 to Joshua's win column.

Honestly dealing with Team Ortiz under Al Haymon was like dealing with a bunch of Mr Beans. All running around tripping over each others lies. Very funny and with Ortiz and Wilder ducking Joshua so hard its now got people talking about Joshua like he is the divisions BOOGEY MAN.
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Old 05-25-2019, 09:11 AM #196
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So ESPN says Wilder is now the most popular heavyweight in the world. That is what happens when he continues to fight the best.

Eddie Hearn and AJ squandered the A Side playing games to no end. Fighting easy fights till they became tough matchups. Acting like the US couldnít tell the difference from reality and spin.

Now they are fighting Ruiz and all they can do is call for Wilder fight? What happened to AJís American debut? Somehow they are choosing not to effectively market it? Could it be Ruiz has no name? However Ruiz is dangerous enough so they better keep eyes to the prize.

Maybe they should have tried a bit harder to work with Ortiz. Instead of low-balling when the world knows they are in a real tight place. Billion dollars mismanaged is a problem. Dazn must really be on Hearns arse. My how the big mouthed, ****y and manipulative have fallen. This may be the biggest mismanagement of A/side power I have seen.

If I am Wilder the reality is here. Do the right thing as this nothing less than a 50/50 fight. However viewing should be split between Showtime and Dazn. They stuck by him he should be loyal to them.

If Eddie still wants to stick out his chest, fight Ortiz. Afterall who can AJ fight that brings the same attention and risk.

Congrats Wilder, the hard work paid off. Letís see the fight. But only if Hearn is finally ready to humble himself and accept the undeniable position.
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Old 05-25-2019, 09:42 AM #197
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DAZN has over 4 million subscribers, after gaining 1.2 million for Canelo vs Jacobs, and their debt went down 93%. This is "tanking" to you?


It's a solid fight, but who wants it more than a match against Joshua? Also, Hearn offered Wilder more money than he'll ever make fighting anyone else. Wilder's the one who started demanding 50%, and now even that's not enough for him. Wilder understands how to sign a fair contract? Not when it comes to AJ.


First off, Joshua doesn't desperately need Ortiz. He has more belts, and earns more money than everyone in his division. Second, Wilder's the one who ducked a $120 million DAZN deal to earn less under Showtime, while pretending to be a free agent. You're making an ass of yourself.


Even if it does flop, it'll still do better numbers than any of Wilder's matches.


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Ortiz's largest payday was like $500k. Hearn offered him $7 million for the fight. That's 14x the most money he's ever made for a match, and he turned it down.


What doesn't Eddie understand, why Wilder's wasting everybody's time? Obviously, he wants to milk Joshua for every cent he's worth. The thing is, he's doing it in a division where everybody's vulnerable. Wilder got a gift draw against Fury, and Joshua got stunned by Povetkin. Every fight AJ and Wilder take comes with a risk of throwing a wrench in the latter's plans. If the fight dies a slow death at this point, it's because Wilder let his greed ruin a great opportunity for him.
Do the math homie, first off Dazn has 4 million subscribers total. They aren’t just boxing so stop.

They didn’t gain 1.2 million subscribers. The fight did 1.0 to 1.2 million views. That means for a month they had boxing subscribers producing between 10-12 million dollars. Even if 100% of subscribers stayed in the whole year, which we know they will not that would only be 120 million to 144 million a year total.

Now factor in that Canelo was Paid 72 million already for his two fights. Joshua is likely getting paid a similar amount.

GGG has hustled up a deal for about 10 million a fight and isn’t bringing any big names to the table.

And then there are all equally talented but less popular boxers getting 1-4 million a fight. Add production costs, employees, announcers, officials, marketing etc...to the table. And initially the boxing side only had a billion dollars to budget for the first three years.

They haven't tanked but they are clearly tanking. Dazn needs another big fight to bring in permanent subscribers or if I was an investor I would have been plenty nervous a year ago.

Ruiz vs Joshua is not it. That combined with the fact they don’t have great matchups across the board means more cost. So to get platform changing fights you have to offer fighters on the outside huge deals to compete wth outside interest.

Write what you want man-fan, the numbers don’t lie. Dazn is not by any means dead but they are clearly in a tough place.

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Old 05-25-2019, 10:38 AM #198
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As much as i would of liked the Joshua vs Ortiz fight i think everybody saw that Ortiz ducked the offers Hearn and AJ sent so Joshua has already as good as beat Ortiz, he made him run off. The duck was so blatant they should really be adding another 1 to Joshua's win column.

Honestly dealing with Team Ortiz under Al Haymon was like dealing with a bunch of Mr Beans. All running around tripping over each others lies. Very funny and with Ortiz and Wilder ducking Joshua so hard its now got people talking about Joshua like he is the divisions BOOGEY MAN.
Here’s where you guys prove you don’t know business. It is not about what a fighter has made previously. It’s about what the fight is worth to the public. Let’s say you may have made 100K a year, but you have an invention that saves the public 1 billion, should you take 1 Miilion dollars for it? This is ridiculous and only okay in Hearns world.

Everyone knows Dazn is spending money like crazy but not getting the return needed as of yet. AJ’s US debut needs to help turn that around. They needed a compelling fight and Ruiz isn’t that guy yet.

Ortiz, Fury and Klitschko are the only names that could have saved this fight. Fury is on ESPN and fighting Matt ketchup for hire Schwarz. Vlad is in retirement. So Who is available... only Ortiz.

Ortiz and Joshua may be a as close to 50/50 from a talent perspective as Wilder and AJ. If given proper time to train Ortiz has a significant chance for an upset. After all Styles make fights.

So expecting Ortiz to take the short notice fight (guaranteeing a loss) and killing the Wilder fight (just as lucrative) for 5 and eventually 7 million dollars is crazy?

So Miller a lesser name, with less pedagree was getting 5 million? He had a full training camp to prepare.

You are telling me back to the wall you are going to offer a near even fighter, 5 million to take a fight on the fly, risk the loss and save your arse? Then have the nerve to withdraw the deal when they want to negotiate further?

Ortiz’s management team did the right thing. It was Ortiz and his training team that contradicted them publically. But it happens and AJ and Hearn have done the same thing. For example Hearn saying Joshua wanted the Wilder fight in the beginning. And AJ saying in that same week he wasn’t ready.

Bottom line Hearn has a habit of bluffing on every hand. Ortiz had a full house and Hearn had three 2s. Ortiz will get that 5 million verses Wilder and still have a chance for a big money fight with AJ or Fury down the line with full camps to show up at his best.

However Hearn will still be playing catch up with another under performing Luke warm fight.

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I'll let you into a little secret here trooper. You've posted more on this thread than I have. So what was that you were saying about being obsessed?

Try that one again because you didn't hit any high points here. Maybe remove your tin foil hat before throwing next time. That should do the trick.
Difference is posters keep coming to me. Most have real point of view.

No body asked you emotional man fan. You are just trying to insert yourself into the discussion. No real points just perpetual false spin and name calling. We donít need you Sid Knee. We are doing fine without you.
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Do the math homie, first off Dazn has 4 million subscribers total. They arenít just boxing so stop.
Over 4m subscribers, and half of the streaming content is boxing. Boxing is the premier sport of DAZN, and generates a sizable chunk of money on there.

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They didnít gain 1.2 million subscribers. The fight did 1.0 to 1.2 million views. That means for a month they had boxing subscribers producing between 10-12 million dollars. Even if 100% of subscribers stayed in the whole year, which we know they will not that would only be 120 million to 144 million a year total.

Now factor in that Canelo was Paid 72 million already for his two fights. Joshua is likely getting paid a similar amount.

GGG has hustled up a deal for about 10 million a fight and isnít bringing any big names to the table.
Last year, Hearn made $277.6m off of DAZN alone. As for GGG, well he has a 6 fight deal with DAZN. There will probably be a few big fights in the other 5. The bottom line is, we won't know what DAZN will generate this year, until next year, so don't get ahead of yourself.

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Ruiz vs Joshua is not it. That combined with the fact they donít have great matchups across the board means more cost. So to get platform changing fights you have to offer fighters on the outside huge deals to compete wth outside interest.
Ruiz vs Joshua is it, because Miller's drugged outta his mind and Ortiz was screwed over by his own promoter. Ruiz is the best guy Joshua could've gotten as a late replacement. Hearn already made money off of Joshua vs Miller, so anything Joshua vs Ruiz brings to the table would just be a bonus.

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Write what you want man-fan, the numbers donít lie. Dazn is not by any means dead but they are clearly in a tough place.
You have no idea what kind of place DAZN is in. It does look like you want it to fail, though. You sound like a massive hater.
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