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Old 06-04-2019, 11:06 AM #21
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Interesting, I always felt Ali was more athletic ability than skill (tall, fast, tough, etc.). Interested to hear your breakdown on how you feel his skills were superior though.
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Old 06-04-2019, 01:18 PM #22
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Interesting, I always felt Ali was more athletic ability than skill (tall, fast, tough, etc.). Interested to hear your breakdown on how you feel his skills were superior though.
I'm not so good in order to provide a breakdown, but I'll post a link -- from the Ring... They had a poll, back in May 2017:

[Link View Has Been Removed. Click Here To Unlock This Content.]. r i n g t v .com/488242-ring-greatest-heavyweight-time/
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Old 06-04-2019, 03:10 PM #23
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In that order, lads.
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Ali (don't dare say he was just athletic )
Louis, though defensively lacking at times, an offensive genius

Ezzard Charles

Michael Spinks

Larry Holmes, esp later in his career he had a lot of ring savvy

Joe Frazier - incredible offense and headmovement. he made you miss by inches with ease and did it for 12 rounds. FAR more functional than Tysons showy headmovement. Frazier was an inside fighting monster.

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Who would win in a fight, your mom or Safe Space? That kid cries over split milk. I really wonder what he's doing here.
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To me, "Skill" would mean knowing your craft and not just relying on a good chin and one punch (Wilder) or bob and weave and then left hook (Frazier). Was Larry Holmes skilled or did he just have that good, long jab? I wouldn't argue that Frazier or Larry might belong on the list, though.

I'd rate early Tyson highly, because he watched all the boxing movies, learned from them, and knew how to take out guys bigger, shorter or taller. Although he did go the distance with Quick Tillis.

Likewise, Ali could slip a punch with head movement, which is skillful, but also had an array of styles to use as needed. You might not "buy" all of what he was saying, like inventing the "anchor punch" on Liston, but he knew when to use his legs, and how to vary his attack. That he came back to defeat Frazier twice, invented the rope-a-dope, and dealt with so many different styles showed skill. I'm sure Dundee gave him a lot of good advice on the different types of techniques to use.

It's unfortunate that some of the older fighters can only be seen on sometimes bad quality old films. You really have to be a keen-eyed aficionado to see how much they embodied "the sweet science," and knew how to handle themselves and make very few mistakes. Sometimes there's skill in being a one-dimensional fighter but knowing how to be defensive, wait for the opening, set a trap, and then land that punch that the opponent was sure he could watch out for and avoid.
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I'm not so good in order to provide a breakdown, but I'll post a link -- from the Ring... They had a poll, back in May 2017:

[Link View Has Been Removed. Click Here To Unlock This Content.]. r i n g t v .com/488242-ring-greatest-heavyweight-time/
The "specialists" poll gave:

Ali
Louis
Johnson
Marciano
Holmes
Dempsey
Foreman
Frazier Tyson
Liston...
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