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Old 07-10-2019, 09:50 PM #31
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Indentured servitude is not the same thing as slavery. This book has been used by white supremacists since it was published, and most anyone with a brain recognizes that it is flawed and based in sensationalism.
This source...is NOT a white supremacist site authored by highly educated authors (check the about us in the second link if you like).

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Indentured servants were promised land after a period of servitude, but most worked unpaid for up to 15 years with few ever owning any land. Mortality rates were high and of the 1,200 who arrived in 1619, more than two thirds perished in the first year from disease, working to death, or Indian raid killings.

Indentured servants contracts were not fulfilled...why wouldn't you think they don't deserve to be paid reparations"
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This source...is NOT a white supremacist site authored by highly educated authors (check the about us in the second link if you like).

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Indentured servants were promised land after a period of servitude, but most worked unpaid for up to 15 years with few ever owning any land. Mortality rates were high and of the 1,200 who arrived in 1619, more than two thirds perished in the first year from disease, working to death, or Indian raid killings.

Indentured servants contracts were not fulfilled...why wouldn't you think they don't deserve to be paid reparations"
I just posted you that 82 Irish scholars don't even buy this. Indentured Servitude is not the same as chattel slavery. It's not hard to understand.

If Irish scholars can get it, with proof backing them up that it is myth that it was the same thing as slavery Blacks dealt with, then I don't think you have any legs to stand on here.

The point is not that every single instance of this myth comes from a white supremacist site. The Irish Scholars weren't even writing in response to white supremacist websites, but other websites: the Irish Central, Irish Examiner, and Scientific American. The point is that it is false information that is often used by white supremacist sites.

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Not only do Irish historians disagree with this, but your statement that this would bankrupt America makes no sense since you are talking about indentured servitude from before America was even a country. The only thing listed in your own link after 1776 was England shipping over convicts to work as indentured servants. Convicts still work in prisons till this day.

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Old 07-10-2019, 10:43 PM #33
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Why is that funny?

I don't think posting correct statistics can qualify as downplaying. If it seems like downplaying, that's because your perception of US slavery may have been exaggerated via media portrayals. It was small in scale and gave the slaves in question access to vastly superior outcomes vs sale to alternative destinations.

Secondly, ANYONE who is genuinely "anti-oppression" is concerned strictly with modern persecution occurring around the globe that we can actually stop. No?

White supremacist me volunteered for a project in university to invest in African tech startups & African female owned businesses. But I refused to partake in brainless whitebashing in rooms full of rich spoiled students who believed they were oppressed.

There is a big difference between those two things.

People solely fixated on historical oppression (and only select parts which benefit them) are not actually concerned at all. It poses no material threat to any living human.

They're expressing their personal self-esteem issues via politic. Show me a "woke activist" and I'll show you someone who couldn't cope with an adolescent social/sexual rejection and simply Googled a narrative to "intellectualize" their hatred of said group.

Primarily white people are victimizing white people in the United States. They have been since the hippie movement and spread of drug culture. It's mostly self-destruction.

But when BLM announces that they are being hunted by racist deathsquads and it isn't safe to be a black man in a white neighborhood... Out are going to come those interracial murder/rape statistics showing that in the US, black perp/white victim is the overwhelming trend and has been since the end of the civil war. It's just not true.

That isn't the same as accusing black America of putting white America in death camps. They're two distinct topics that can become conflated.
It's very hard to read a full post from you. You are so out of touch with reality it's not even funny.

I don't even think you're from this country nor have you experienced what African Americans have in this country but you proclaim yourself as some "expert".

And when you're presented with proven operations, statistics and programs against the black community, you just cover your eyes and ears and say "la la la la" and run away to the next thread and try to re-exert your drivel all over again.

It's old and played out man.
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Old 07-10-2019, 10:47 PM #34
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But they are factually interracially victimized at a far higher rate. Again, a totally separate topic, but it is the truth.

And while most of their problems are the result of the self-destruction which ensued following the "hippie" movement & spread of drugs/liberalism, it is normal for civilizations to go through culturally ascendant and degenerate periods.

The abnormal variable here is the unprecedented & imminent threat of global genetic extinction and increasing frequency of race-based persecution, as their homelands are being colonized by an insurmountable number of opportunists/hostile ethnonationalists.

If it were only taking place on one continent then it would be political rather than racial and the position of whites would be thus circumstantial rather than persecution.

But the forceful "de-whitening" of nations is a quantitative reality (and probably too late to reverse), a quasi-coordinated global racial ideology & openly promoted at public universities. It's not something I whipped up on the spot on boxingscene.

If the phenomenon was recognized by cooler minds at an earlier stage then who knows... But at this point the survivors will face a simple choice between extinction and armed extremism (with the goal of establishing a small protected ethnostate). It's not good.
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I'm not sure how to answer it. My response to anything political is "in moderation", but I'm curious to see what you think
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I just posted you that 82 Irish scholars don't even buy this. Indentured Servitude is not the same as chattel slavery. It's not hard to understand.

If Irish scholars can get it, with proof backing them up that it is myth that it was the same thing as slavery Blacks dealt with, then I don't think you have any legs to stand on here.

The point is not that every single instance of this myth comes from a white supremacist site. The Irish Scholars weren't even writing in response to white supremacist websites, but other websites: the Irish Central, Irish Examiner, and Scientific American The point is that it is false information that is often used by white supremacist sites.

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Not only do Irish historians disagree with this, but your statement that this would bankrupt America makes no sense since you are talking about indentured servitude from before America was even a country. The only thing listed in your own link after 1776 was England shipping over convicts to work as indentured servants. Convicts still work in prisons till this day.
I'm playing the devil's advocate here and I'll tell you what I really think. The left are just pandering to the black vote about this and in the unlikely event they won (even more unlikely because of these empty promises) they won't deliver. I'm not sure if I agree with your historical account or not...but it doesn't matter because it will never happen.
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I'm playing the devil's advocate here and I'll tell you what I really think. The left are just pandering to the black vote about this and in the unlikely event they won (even more unlikely because of these empty promises) they won't deliver. I'm not sure if I agree with your historical account or not...but it doesn't matter because it will never happen.
I don't disagree with anything you've said. I do feel that some on the left, though not all, are just pandering for sure. I also don't think it will ever happen, but at least they are discussing it. I think it at least deserves that much.
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Well some natives have received reparations.


Funny enough, in 1980, for things that happened in the 1860's. There's the precedent that America set, so there should be no problem with reparations for slavery and beyond.
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I don't disagree with anything you've said. I do feel that some on the left, though not all, are just pandering for sure. I also don't think it will ever happen, but at least they are discussing it. I think it at least deserves that much.
It may deserve being discussed but here's the problem in doing so. If a politician makes it a campaign strategy it and he or she is doomed by the other-than-black vote whom will be thinking "hmmm I don't want to have to pay for that...not from my pocket!" and the Independents whom currently make up 46% of the voters (see link)...and are the deciding vote will lean right.

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It may deserve being discussed but here's the problem in doing so. If a politician makes it a campaign strategy it and he or she is doomed by the other-than-black vote whom will be thinking "hmmm I don't want to have to pay for that...not from my pocket!" and the Independents whom currently make up 46% of the voters (see link)...and are the deciding vote will lean right.

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Sure. Anyone can make up their own mind, and a politician should take a stand on the issue and stick by it. It comes with the territory that it may sway or dissuade voters.

But why would it automatically doom a politician from gaining the "other than black" vote? There are those who are not black who agree with reparations for slavery, and I'd assume that there are some who believe a politician disagreeing with them on reparations is not a deal breaker for their vote.
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I personally don't want anything. If there is reparations, I'd love for it to be used to improve educational opportunities for children and young adults.
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