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Old 02-02-2019, 01:42 PM #11
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Nah, I'm bored of it all already. If they fight, they fight..I'll get excited about it when it happens.

Wilder did an interview with talksport earlier apparently saying he's got enough opponents lined up for the next 2 years if a Joshua deal isn't made.
I'm bored listening to it all drag on.

If Fury beats Wilder, then Fury/Joshua is the fight to make for sure. I wish we could of got it next. Nothing is easy with Warren/Hearn though.
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Old 02-02-2019, 02:02 PM #12
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...if Wilder loses to Fury the second time around?

I CERTAINLY AM NOT!
The sooner this Wilder character loses his belt the better it is for me.
Why, because Fury vs Joshua would then be the fight to make.
Wilder will then be forced to fight the fight casuals have long want to see.
There is Whyte, Kownacki, Usyk and many others,
instead of the Arreola and Stiverne's of the division.
It would be a massive win win for fans if Wilder loses his next fight.
Better believe it.
It would depend on how he lost; if it was another 12-round thriller that Fury just edged, the WBC will likely look to make a third fight, with Fury using that to get his 60% on a Fury-Joshua fight.

Those talks fall through (I still don't think 40% was offered, nevermind the 60% that was asked), and we likely end up with Fury-Wilder 3 from Old Trafford in Manchester (50/50 in the UK, with any money lost on Wilder's side as the cost of getting the third fight); the WBC then, if it hadn't happened already, books Breazeale-Kownacki to force the mandatory challenger.

If Joshua swallows the load and gives Fury 60% of the pot, we likely see Wilder-Breazeale/Kownacki to lock in the WBC mandatory (both fights headline on FOX or Showtime) to follow the IBF's title shot with Kubrat Pulev.

Pulev, Wilder-Breazeale/Kownacki winner, and Usyk (as a voluntary, since the WBO is outside of the WBC/WBA/IBF rotation) are basically locked in as the next three fights for the undisputed champion (in this scenario), unless belts start getting vacated.
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Old 02-02-2019, 02:05 PM #13
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...if Wilder loses to Fury the second time around?

I CERTAINLY AM NOT!
The sooner this Wilder character loses his belt the better it is for me.
Why, because Fury vs Joshua would then be the fight to make.
Wilder will then be forced to fight the fight casuals have long want to see.
There is Whyte, Kownacki, Usyk and many others,
instead of the Arreola and Stiverne's of the division.
It would be a massive win win for fans if Wilder loses his next fight.
Better believe it.
Still.... Fury needs to box another perfect 12 rounds, after Wilder has already seen the trips/traps for 12 and was able to really break through on two occasions.

Hang your hat on that perch if you want, lol.
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Old 02-02-2019, 02:18 PM #14
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Sure, he'd probably still be top 3 in the division in the eyes of most people and his power means you couldn't count him out vs AJ even if he loses every round vs Fury.
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Old 02-02-2019, 02:27 PM #15
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After BS from AJ/Hearn, Wilder would do well to just retire after the 3 fights with Fury.

Yes this means Wilder will lose or draw [truly or deliberately] vs Fury to have the 3rd. They got offspring ya know.
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Old 02-02-2019, 03:07 PM #16
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If Wilder loses to Fury and tries to fight Joshua afterwards he would only be worth about 20% so the fight would never happen.

Dumbass is risking his chance to be an ATG by being able to call himself undisputed.
If Wilder beats Fury, and the event does what people think it does, Joshua is ****ed!

To hell with that "it has to be in the UK" and "here's 40% as a fee" BS; it'll be 50/50, from T-Mobile Arena, on SHOPPV/Sky Box Office and a big FU to that $50m guarantee, or be ready to fight Pulev in ****ing Bulgaria. lol.

There's clear risk on Wilder's part (though he still has multimillion dollar paydays in feature fights against Kownacki and Breazeale, he'd be far from the 8-figure paydays for the two Fury fights), but scared money don't make money.

Anthony Joshua passed on a allegedly guaranteed $80m for two fights, to basically fight Povetkin and now Jarell Miller for maybe $45m for the two fights, with the US marketing push still borne because the general sports consensus here is that Joshua is careful at least, and chicken**** at worse.

Who's the real dumbass?
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Old 02-02-2019, 03:18 PM #17
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Would still be more interested in him fighting Wilder than him fighting guys like Parker and Whyte
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Old 02-02-2019, 03:20 PM #18
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Wilder should win the rematch imo. The adjustments he has to make to win are basic. Go to the body more.
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If Wilder loses to Fury, especially in a dominating fashion, which is more likely than not, the entire boxing community will be focused on Fury vs Joshua. Wilder will then have to wait and try toregain his lost rep and status. That would take at least a year or more... By then things may change quickly and Wilder will no longer be a hot commodity and replaced by Kownacki, Usyk, Whyte, Miller vs ?? winner.
I see a triology for Wilder v Fury
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Old 02-02-2019, 03:29 PM #20
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If Wilder beats Fury, and the event does what people think it does, Joshua is ****ed!

To hell with that "it has to be in the UK" and "here's 40% as a fee" BS; it'll be 50/50, from T-Mobile Arena, on SHOPPV/Sky Box Office and a big FU to that $50m guarantee, or be ready to fight Pulev in ****ing Bulgaria. lol.
If Wilder beats Fury then yeah, maybe it does become a 50/50 split but if that's the case and it's a $100m fight then AJ is still walking away with $50m. So what are you talking about? It's the same damn offer.

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Anthony Joshua passed on a allegedly guaranteed $80m for two fights, to basically fight Povetkin and now Jarell Miller for maybe $45m for the two fights, with the US marketing push still borne because the general sports consensus here is that Joshua is careful at least, and chicken**** at worse.

Who's the real dumbass?
$45m is a conservative estimate on your part, with the DAZN investment Joshua is more than likely clearing it.

The $80m you talk about includes paying off pre existing TV and commercial contracts and who knows how many millions that would amount to? We already know that BT were funding it whilst Joshua was under contract with Sky Sports.

Don't talk about Joshua being careful or chicken, Joshua gets lots of love in the US and by the time Wilder and Fury get done Joshua will have cleared out the whole damn division. PBC won't be able to pull the wool over everybody's eyes about that.
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