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[BattlingNelson]

Ducks by Roy Jones Jr.:

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[frankenfrank]

Lennox Lewis:

Riddick Bowe (93) & (95)
John Ruiz
Chris Byrd
Mike Tyson (96)
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didn't bowe duck lewis at least at 1992-1993 ?
he fought an unimpressing opposition (for a lineal champion) at that time between holyfiled-bowe1 and holyfield-bowe2.
at '95 it doesn't seem like anyone ducked anyone as bowe prepared for bowe-holyfield 3 , and what did lewis had at that time ? his loss to mccall ? an easily earned shot for the WBC title ? a justified wish to fight mccall again ?

Marvin Hagler

Ray Leonard (90)
Thomas Hearns
Dwight Braxton
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at 1990 hagler was retired for 3 years already and 36 years old.
some may say it is old and shot (not me , at least regarding the 'old')
also hagler did not have a title at that year , it only seems as if leonard ducked hagler (for a rematch) that year.
regarding hearns i think he disposed of hearns convincingly enough in their fight and hearns' (third) stoppage loss to barkley did not add too much for his credibility / right to rematch hagler.
regarding braxton , there were 15lbs between them.
which are also almost 10% , this is critical in a sport like this.
the 168 division is not for vain. it is very much needed .
and it is not like as if qawi was a former middleweight himself , to the contrary , he proved he was a massive lightheavyweight by moving up to the cruiserweight division. and then even to the heavyweight division , weighing a whooping 230 against foreman. this mere weight could have caused hagler diabetes , it could kill him.
so why should he have fought braxton ? he had plenty of contenders at his own division. he ate them one after the other.

Joe Calzaghe

Glen Johnson - 3 times
Bernard Hopkins
Roy Jones
Dariusz Michelzchevski
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regarding jones , was there ever a thought about a fight between them at their joint prime ? after all , jones was at 175 by the time calzaghe was still green at 168.

and regarding michalczewski , dariusz was a massive 175 who had his flirts with the 190's , so like with hagler-qawi , why match the two ?
definitely not a duck.
you could also say that michalczewski and qawi ducked them because they refused to go down in weight.

Ricky Hatton

Junior Witter
Otkal Urkal
Miguel Cotto
Vivian Harris
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Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Antonio Margarito
Miguel Cotto
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regarding hatton , i disagree with all you wrote , maybe except cotto.
and this is a mere 'maybe'.

[J23]

Are you claiming Riddick Bowe is telling lies in the video?
Bowe vs Lewis in the Olympics was the most bazaar contest in Olympic history.. Bowe leathered Lewis in the opening round, Lewis lands 3 punches in the 2nd round and the referee stops the fight.. Bowe walks away in disbelief... Tyrell Biggs & Henry Tillman both beat Tyson in the Olympics... Jorge Louis Gonzalez beat Bowe in the amateurs... different story in the pro ranks.

Bruce Selden was WBA champion... Lewis did not have to accept that step-a-side money, he could easily have said NO

i cannot recall Hagler asking Leonard for a rematch.. yet i know that Hagler turned down a career highest payday when offered a rematch by Leonard in 1990..
Thomas Hearns broke his famous right-hand in the opening round against Hagler, he shouted for a rematch right up to the day Hagler retired.

Ring Magazine, KO magazine and many other fight publications all called for Hagler to move up to Light-Heavy and fight 5ft 6ins Dwight Braxton in a big money fight in the early 80s Hagler wanted none of it... Roy Jones, Toney, Hopkins, Calzaghe, etc etc all middleweights easily moved up threw the weights but Hagler never fancied his chances against Braxton

Is Bowe suddenly the professor of truth, because he says so?

In amateur fights, you get hit solid enough, you have to take a count. The way the fight was going, Lewis would've beaten Bowe anyways.

If the pro ranks would've been different, then Bowe wouldn't have ducked Lewis.

Tyson didn't have to fight Seldon. He had a mandatory challenge against Lewis but instead chose to fight another titlist who was nowhere near as good as Lewis.

Hagler retired in 1989. So in 1990.. he was retired. He chased for a rematch for two years but couldn't get it. He got fed up and retired. Now that he retired, Leonard wanted to fight?

With all due respect to Hearns, it's not Hagler's fault that he broke his right hand. The point is that Hagler gave Hearns a championship title shot and Hagler came out on top. If it was a close decision or a very controversial fight, then a rematch should've been made. But Hearns lost by knockout and that's that.

Hopkins reigned as a middleweight champion for around 10 years, until he lost it. Calzaghe reigned as a super middleweight champion for around 10 years, as well. If you do the math, that's a lot longer than when people were "demanding" for Hagler to move up and face Qawi.

Not too sure about Jones but I know that Toney was getting too big for middleweight. He was even getting too big for super middleweight.

[Joey Giardello]

Oscar de la hoya avoided Winky Wright

Joe Louis avoided Maxi Rosenbloom

Chris Eubank and Nigel benn both avoided Herol Graham

Kosta Tszyu avoided Vince Philips rematch

Floyd Mayweather avoided Antonio Margarito

Rocky Graziano avoided Jake la motta

Joe Calzaghe avoided Glen Johnson

George Foreman avoided Michael Moorer rematch

Johnny Nelson avoided Carl Thompson rematch

Bernard Hopkins is avoiding Chad Dawson right now!

[sonnyboyx2]

Is Bowe suddenly the professor of truth, because he says so?

In amateur fights, you get hit solid enough, you have to take a count. The way the fight was going, Lewis would've beaten Bowe anyways.

If the pro ranks would've been different, then Bowe wouldn't have ducked Lewis.

Tyson didn't have to fight Seldon. He had a mandatory challenge against Lewis but instead chose to fight another titlist who was nowhere near as good as Lewis.

Hagler retired in 1989. So in 1990.. he was retired. He chased for a rematch for two years but couldn't get it. He got fed up and retired. Now that he retired, Leonard wanted to fight?

With all due respect to Hearns, it's not Hagler's fault that he broke his right hand. The point is that Hagler gave Hearns a championship title shot and Hagler came out on top. If it was a close decision or a very controversial fight, then a rematch should've been made. But Hearns lost by knockout and that's that.

Hopkins reigned as a middleweight champion for around 10 years, until he lost it. Calzaghe reigned as a super middleweight champion for around 10 years, as well. If you do the math, that's a lot longer than when people were "demanding" for Hagler to move up and face Qawi.

Not too sure about Jones but I know that Toney was getting too big for middleweight. He was even getting too big for super middleweight.

i believe Bowe.. you believe Lewis.. Lewis fans say Bowe ducked him, but they refuse to accept it when its pointed out that Lewis ducked both John Ruiz & Chris Byrd by ditching title belts.... the Olympic final fight, Bowe was well in front unto Lewis landed those 3 punches and the fight was prematurely stopped by the French/Canadian referee.

Tyson fought Seldon in his quest to "UNIFY" the heavyweight titles.. Lewis was coming back after being poleaxed in less than 2rds by Tysons sparring partner Oliver McCall... Lewis was thought of as no more than a 1st round KO for Mike Tyson... Lewis obviously never wanted to fight Tyson in 96 with a purse of over $10 million and a gauranteed title shot, or he would never accepted that step-a-side money... the reason he accepted it was because he never fancied the job against that version of Mike Tyson...

[sonnyboyx2]

Ducks by Roy Jones Jr.:

Michalszewski
Nunn
Benn
Eubank
Collins
Barkley
Cordoba
Littles
Van Horn
Liles
Nardiello
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Bat... i dont go along with that list mate

[mickey malone]

i believe Bowe.. you believe Lewis.. Lewis fans say Bowe ducked him, but they refuse to accept it when its pointed out that Lewis ducked both John Ruiz & Chris Byrd by ditching title belts.... the Olympic final fight, Bowe was well in front unto Lewis landed those 3 punches and the fight was prematurely stopped by the French/Canadian referee.

Tyson fought Seldon in his quest to "UNIFY" the heavyweight titles.. Lewis was coming back after being poleaxed in less than 2rds by Tysons sparring partner Oliver McCall... Lewis was thought of as no more than a 1st round KO for Mike Tyson... Lewis obviously never wanted to fight Tyson in 96 with a purse of over $10 million and a gauranteed title shot, or he would never accepted that step-a-side money... the reason he accepted it was because he never fancied the job against that version of Mike Tyson...

Quack! Quack! Quack!

Everyone abandon thread!!... Lewis's name's been mentioned, and sonnyboy's all knarled up, and on the prowl.. Not worth discussing imo..

[donkim]

regarding hatton , i disagree with all you wrote , maybe except cotto.
and this is a mere 'maybe'.

That's because you're ignorant.Witter and Hatton over the last decade were the two best junior welterweights in britain.Now,the logical thing to do would be to match the pair up and Witter called Hatton out at every opportunity.Even when Hatton ducked Wiiter at the domestic scene,Witter kept chasing him and won a world title and still Hatton wanted nothing to do with him.

[J23]

i believe Bowe.. you believe Lewis.. Lewis fans say Bowe ducked him, but they refuse to accept it when its pointed out that Lewis ducked both John Ruiz & Chris Byrd by ditching title belts.... the Olympic final fight, Bowe was well in front unto Lewis landed those 3 punches and the fight was prematurely stopped by the French/Canadian referee.

Tyson fought Seldon in his quest to "UNIFY" the heavyweight titles.. Lewis was coming back after being poleaxed in less than 2rds by Tysons sparring partner Oliver McCall... Lewis was thought of as no more than a 1st round KO for Mike Tyson... Lewis obviously never wanted to fight Tyson in 96 with a purse of over $10 million and a gauranteed title shot, or he would never accepted that step-a-side money... the reason he accepted it was because he never fancied the job against that version of Mike Tyson...

We're not talking about Ruiz or Byrd. Don't act like that's a valid argument as to why Lewis was the guilty one in this situation. It doesn't work like that.

The way the fight was going, Lewis was gonna take it anyways. Bowe had to take two standing counts. If Bowe was really the better man, he wouldn't have threw his belt in the garbage can when he was supposed to supposed fight.

A fight with Lewis was a much more important fight than Seldon, at the time. Anyways who doesn't think so obviously doesn't know what they're talking about. Not only did Lewis have the better wins and better championship reign but he also was the bigger attraction.

To think Lewis didn't wanna fight Tyson is nonsense. Lewis went as far as filing a protest against Tyson for not getting his fair shot at the title.

By reading some of your other posts, you're clearly very biased towards Lewis and I don't intend on replying to your posts in this thread anymore.

[.Paulie.]

Ducks by Roy Jones Jr.:

Michalszewski
Nunn
Benn
Eubank
Collins
Barkley
Cordoba
Littles
Van Horn
Liles
Nardiello
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Are you serious or just looking for attention?

Jones ducked Von Horn? Cordoba? Collins? Eubank?

Listen James Toney, and Bernard Hopkins, are better than anyone on that list and Jones beat them comfortably.

I can name a bunch of contenders from a all time great fighters era, who they didnt fight, does that mean they avoided them?

And by the way, Jones would of destroyed Kessler at his peak......

At his peak Jones beats all of them, and Jones even beat alot of fighters who beat fighters on that list.

Research before you post stupid comments.

Paulie.