alright athiests

[Furn]

Just because a person is a Christian doesn't make him automatically blameless. I'm sure there are some atheists who lead more righteous lives than some Christians.

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Wait. So on average Christians sin against god as much as Muslims ?

[siablo14]

Wait. So on average Christians sin against god as much as Muslims ?

That's the thing I notice with Deacon Enayze. At times he stick to what's written in the Bible for the answer to our questions and then other time he tries to speak for God. An atheist has committed the unforgivable sin therefore that atheist and his family members especially the ones that comes after should face the harshest punishment form the Lord but not all atheists have cancer.

[SunSpace]

In your own words "You've countered nothing." and just presented arguments that has nothing to do of whose God is right. The topic is about the possiblity of a God. I presented a deductive reasoning why the equivalence of Fairy tail to a God is false and you give me arguments that has nothing to do with it.

It has everything to do with it. There's no way of testing your God belief for accuracy any more than there is for Santa Claus. Everybody knows Santa has a hideout over in the North Pole; the dude's magic. Even his reindeer fly and stuff. There's no reason why Santa and his village can't be as "invisible" as God himself.

http://www.northpole.com/Stories/

And the Santa Claus legend, by the way, has roots that firmly intertwine with Christianity. Actually, it is Christianity:

http://www.stnicholascenter.org/page...s-st-nicholas/

"The true story of Santa Claus begins with Nicholas, who was born during the third century in the village of Patara. At the time the area was Greek and is now on the southern coast of Turkey. His wealthy parents, who raised him to be a devout Christian, died in an epidemic while Nicholas was still young. Obeying Jesus' words to "sell what you own and give the money to the poor," Nicholas used his whole inheritance to assist the needy, the sick, and the suffering. He dedicated his life to serving God and was made Bishop of Myra while still a young man. Bishop Nicholas became known throughout the land for his generosity to those in need, his love for children, and his concern for sailors and ships.

Under the Roman Emperor Diocletian, who ruthlessly persecuted Christians, Bishop Nicholas suffered for his faith, was exiled and imprisoned. The prisons were so full of bishops, priests, and deacons, there was no room for the real criminals—murderers, thieves and robbers. After his release, Nicholas attended the Council of Nicaea in AD 325. He died December 6, AD 343 in Myra and was buried in his cathedral church, where a unique relic, called manna, formed in his grave. This liquid substance, said to have healing powers, fostered the growth of devotion to Nicholas. The anniversary of his death became a day of celebration, St. Nicholas Day, December 6th (December 19 on the Julian Calendar).

Through the centuries many stories and legends have been told of St. Nicholas' life and deeds. These accounts help us understand his extraordinary character and why he is so beloved and revered as protector and helper of those in need.

One story tells of a poor man with three daughters. In those days a young woman's father had to offer prospective husbands something of value—a dowry. The larger the dowry, the better the chance that a young woman would find a good husband. Without a dowry, a woman was unlikely to marry. This poor man's daughters, without dowries, were therefore destined to be sold into slavery. Mysteriously, on three different occasions, a bag of gold appeared in their home-providing the needed dowries.The bags of gold, tossed through an open window, are said to have landed in stockings or shoes left before the fire to dry. This led to the custom of children hanging stockings or putting out shoes, eagerly awaiting gifts from Saint Nicholas. Sometimes the story is told with gold balls instead of bags of gold. That is why three gold balls, sometimes represented as oranges, are one of the symbols for St. Nicholas. And so St. Nicholas is a gift-giver.

One of the oldest stories showing St. Nicholas as a protector of children takes place long after his death. The townspeople of Myra were celebrating the good saint on the eve of his feast day when a band of Arab pirates from Crete came into the district. They stole treasures from the Church of Saint Nicholas to take away as booty. As they were leaving town, they snatched a young boy, Basilios, to make into a slave. The emir, or ruler, selected Basilios to be his personal cupbearer, as not knowing the language, Basilios would not understand what the king said to those around him. So, for the next year Basilios waited on the king, bringing his wine in a beautiful golden cup. For Basilios' parents, devastated at the loss of their only child, the year passed slowly, filled with grief. As the next St. Nicholas' feast day approached, Basilios' mother would not join in the festivity, as it was now a day of tragedy. However, she was persuaded to have a simple observance at home—with quiet prayers for Basilios' safekeeping. Meanwhile, as Basilios was fulfilling his tasks serving the emir, he was suddenly whisked up and away. St. Nicholas appeared to the terrified boy, blessed him, and set him down at his home back in Myra. Imagine the joy and wonderment when Basilios amazingly appeared before his parents, still holding the king's golden cup. This is the first story told of St. Nicholas protecting children—which became his primary role in the West."

Santa Claus is as much a Christian legend as Jesus Christ himself.

So, yeah, you're the one sitting here making the argument that Christianity's legends are false in order to prove that Christianity's God is real.

That's a contradiction if I've ever seen one.

[Thraxox]

It has everything to do with it. There's no way of testing your belief for accuracy any more than there is for Santa Claus. Everybody knows Santa has a hideout over in the North Pole; the dude's magic. Even his reindeer fly and stuff. There's no reason why Santa and his village can't be as "invisible" as God himself.

http://www.northpole.com/Stories/

And the Santa Claus legend, by the way, has roots that firmly intertwine with Christianity. Actually, it is Christianity:

http://www.stnicholascenter.org/page...s-st-nicholas/

"The true story of Santa Claus begins with Nicholas, who was born during the third century in the village of Patara. At the time the area was Greek and is now on the southern coast of Turkey. His wealthy parents, who raised him to be a devout Christian, died in an epidemic while Nicholas was still young. Obeying Jesus' words to "sell what you own and give the money to the poor," Nicholas used his whole inheritance to assist the needy, the sick, and the suffering. He dedicated his life to serving God and was made Bishop of Myra while still a young man. Bishop Nicholas became known throughout the land for his generosity to those in need, his love for children, and his concern for sailors and ships.

Under the Roman Emperor Diocletian, who ruthlessly persecuted Christians, Bishop Nicholas suffered for his faith, was exiled and imprisoned. The prisons were so full of bishops, priests, and deacons, there was no room for the real criminals—murderers, thieves and robbers. After his release, Nicholas attended the Council of Nicaea in AD 325. He died December 6, AD 343 in Myra and was buried in his cathedral church, where a unique relic, called manna, formed in his grave. This liquid substance, said to have healing powers, fostered the growth of devotion to Nicholas. The anniversary of his death became a day of celebration, St. Nicholas Day, December 6th (December 19 on the Julian Calendar).

Through the centuries many stories and legends have been told of St. Nicholas' life and deeds. These accounts help us understand his extraordinary character and why he is so beloved and revered as protector and helper of those in need.

One story tells of a poor man with three daughters. In those days a young woman's father had to offer prospective husbands something of value—a dowry. The larger the dowry, the better the chance that a young woman would find a good husband. Without a dowry, a woman was unlikely to marry. This poor man's daughters, without dowries, were therefore destined to be sold into slavery. Mysteriously, on three different occasions, a bag of gold appeared in their home-providing the needed dowries.The bags of gold, tossed through an open window, are said to have landed in stockings or shoes left before the fire to dry. This led to the custom of children hanging stockings or putting out shoes, eagerly awaiting gifts from Saint Nicholas. Sometimes the story is told with gold balls instead of bags of gold. That is why three gold balls, sometimes represented as oranges, are one of the symbols for St. Nicholas. And so St. Nicholas is a gift-giver.

One of the oldest stories showing St. Nicholas as a protector of children takes place long after his death. The townspeople of Myra were celebrating the good saint on the eve of his feast day when a band of Arab pirates from Crete came into the district. They stole treasures from the Church of Saint Nicholas to take away as booty. As they were leaving town, they snatched a young boy, Basilios, to make into a slave. The emir, or ruler, selected Basilios to be his personal cupbearer, as not knowing the language, Basilios would not understand what the king said to those around him. So, for the next year Basilios waited on the king, bringing his wine in a beautiful golden cup. For Basilios' parents, devastated at the loss of their only child, the year passed slowly, filled with grief. As the next St. Nicholas' feast day approached, Basilios' mother would not join in the festivity, as it was now a day of tragedy. However, she was persuaded to have a simple observance at home—with quiet prayers for Basilios' safekeeping. Meanwhile, as Basilios was fulfilling his tasks serving the emir, he was suddenly whisked up and away. St. Nicholas appeared to the terrified boy, blessed him, and set him down at his home back in Myra. Imagine the joy and wonderment when Basilios amazingly appeared before his parents, still holding the king's golden cup. This is the first story told of St. Nicholas protecting children—which became his primary role in the West."

Santa Claus is as much a Christian legend as Jesus Christ himself.

So, yeah, you're the one sitting here making the argument that Christianity's legends are false in order to prove that Christianity's God is real.

That's a contradiction if I've ever seen one.

"Everybody knows" No, it is not honey. The definition of Santa is a Physical being, whose factory resides at the North pole. You are just adding some magic stuff in it so that you can dance circles around the argument and present it as a logically coherent equivalent to a God. It's not. Without any sort of standard to present your argument, then everything would be running around hiding behind arguments that doesn't actually attacks the issue.

Also, by saying Jesus Christ was a Legend, you do know, that discrediting the ancient text of the New Testament would also discredit the entire content of other ancient text such as Alexander the Great, Hannibal Barca, and so many historical figures before that.

You probably don't know that because your close mindedness clouds your judgement.

What you don't know is that no historian would say Jesus Christ is false.

[SunSpace]

"Everybody knows" No, it is not honey. The definition of Santa is a Physical being, whose factory resides at the North pole. You are just adding some magic stuff in it so that you can dance circles around the argument and present it as a logically coherent equivalent to a God. It's not. Without any sort of standard to present your argument, then everything would be running around hiding behind arguments that doesn't actually attacks the issue.

Also, by saying Jesus Christ was a Legend, you do know, that discrediting the ancient text of the New Testament would also discredit the entire content of other ancient text such as Alexander the Great, Hannibal Barca, and so many historical figures before that.

You probably don't know that because your close mindedness clouds your judgement.

What you don't know is that no historian would say Jesus Christ is false.

Seriously? After that beat-down, you still refuse to accept the L? I just showed you your own religion, and you're trying to say that I'm making it up? Did I falsify the historical records on the website or something?

Please.

Here's the definition of legend:

"A traditional story sometimes popularly regarded as historical but unauthenticated."

That has nothing to do with whether Jesus existed as a "person" or not. It's about whether the details of his story can be authenticated or not. Unless you all of a sudden finally found proof of God's existence, you can't authenticate that he turned water into wine, rose back from the dead like Santa Claus, or anything else. Hence Jesus, too, is a legend.

Ultimately, as to Santa Claus, the proof is in the pudding. He's every bit as much of a legend as Jesus, and the legend states, among many other stories of his powers which you can clearly see from my website examples, that he has a secret residence up there.

If Santa Claus can reappear after his death at will, there's no reason at all why he can't be "invisible" just like God. According to Christianity, he was following Jesus' orders, after all.

Do you realize the irony of what you're doing? You're arguing against your own religion in an attempt to prove that one invisible being is more real than another within it.

-_-' Just take the L and move on, dude.

[Thraxox]

Seriously? After that beat-down, you still refuse to accept the L? I just showed you your own religion, and you're trying to say that I'm making it up? Did I falsify the historical records on the website or something?

Please.

Here's the definition of legend:

"A traditional story sometimes popularly regarded as historical but unauthenticated."

That has nothing to do with whether Jesus existed as a "person" or not. It's about whether the details of his story can be authenticated or not. Unless you all of a sudden finally found proof of God's existence, you can't authenticate that he turned water into wine or anything else, hence that is a legend.

Ultimately, as to Santa Claus, the proof is in the pudding. He's every bit as much of a legend as Jesus, and the legend states, among many other stories of his powers which you can clearly see from my website examples, that he has a secret residence up there.

If he can reappear after his death at will, there's no reason at all why he can't be "invisible" just like God. According to Christianity, he was following Jesus' orders, after all.

Do you realize the irony of what you're doing? You're arguing against your own religion in an attempt to prove that one invisible being is more real than another within it.

-_-' Just take the L and move on, dude.

What L, showing me Children Stories that's the definition of an "destructive argument" to you? How low is your standards man. As if the origin of santa changes the definition of the modern santa that is "Physical that lives atop of the north pole with his factory and elves."

You can't even get passed the definition of Santa, and to why he is a false equivalence, and then you claim to have a "Win" over me. A win on what? A win to what kind of stupid arguments would you bring in?

[SunSpace]

What L, showing me Children Stories that's the definition of an "destructive argument" to you? How low is your standards man. As if the origin of santa changes the definition of the modern santa that is "Physical that lives atop of the north pole with his factory and elves."

You can't even get passed the definition of Santa, and to why he is a false equivalence, and then you claim to have a "Win" over me. A win on what? A win to what kind of stupid arguments would you bring in?

That's all any legend is: a story. Just like the earlier Christian legends about Santa. It's Christianity you're arguing against right now. You're arguing against your own religion as we speak in order to prove that one invisible being within it is more real than another.

Clearly, from even the website that's not historical but rather dedicated to modern children, you can see that the current legend includes the residence being "secret." It's right there, so don't pretend you don't see it.

And that's simply not any different from the other legends within Christianity as to Santa Claus. It's merely an addition to the legend, which I already told you happens throughout the retelling process.

Your own religion has historically claimed that Santa Claus rose back from the dead and can disappear/reappear at will, yet you're finding it hard to believe all of a sudden?

Honestly...

-_-'

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

Cancer isn't free will, it's not a choice to get it. Its nothing to do with sin. If it was, a simple meta analysis would show a massive difference in childhood cancer rates in different religious groups.

If god is all powerful and god made us then he either ****ed up massively in the design stage or he's an epic ****.

So which is it ?

its because of this.

LOL how embarrassing.

This is what a wild banana, the one god supposedly made looks like.



The modern banana seen in that video is a modified hybrid which is a result of 7000 years of selective cross breeding by us humans.

So if the banana is a perfect fit for the hand it's because science made it that way.

But while we're discussing gods perfect plan, explain why god gives bone cancer to children ?

DAMN Humans with their cancer hybird bananas!

[Amazinger]

LOL how embarrassing.

This is what a wild banana, the one god supposedly made looks like.



The modern banana seen in that video is a modified hybrid which is a result of 7000 years of selective cross breeding by us humans.

So if the banana is a perfect fit for the hand it's because science made it that way.

But while we're discussing gods perfect plan, explain why god gives bone cancer to children ?

Because they are better off with cancer than flaming hemmorrhoids all their life.

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

I liek how I killed the thread, shutting dumb-asses up with their own words. lmfao.