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Fitness Youtuber Explains Canelo Clenbuterol/Beef
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The whole meat excuse is outdated as hell. 0.6-0.8ng/ml is not trace amounts and certainly not plausible given the half-life of the drug.
Clenbuterol isn't exactly cheap to produce either, farmers would be losing money using Clen at such a dose.
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Originally posted by dan_cov View PostThe whole meat excuse is outdated as hell. 0.6-0.8ng/ml is not trace amounts and certainly not plausible given the half-life of the drug.
Clenbuterol isn't exactly cheap to produce either, farmers would be losing money using Clen at such a dose.
Gotta admit how ripped Canelo gets with Clen it looks like a pretty tempting drug to use, believe it's also a good bit cheaper than Tren as well.
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Originally posted by DramaShow View Postthe tainted meat excuse just isnt plausible. i will lay it out real simple for some people who dont understand it- saul alvarez is a drugs cheat.
roberto duran admitted in his book to taking steroids lol
fight will go on
canelo will be canelo
and the general public won't care in 2019
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Originally posted by Robbie Barrett View PostClearly has no clue what he's talking about.
"I can not imagine a scenario where you would give Clenbuterol to a food animal, you would lose money"
Yep these Mexcians and Chinese are losing money by doing it folks.
Does anyone believe this guy knows more than the WADA scientists?
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Originally posted by Robbie Barrett View PostAnother guy that knows more than the WADA scientists. Damn man, reading your posts i'd have guessed you had an IQ of 70. Sure fooled me.
Okay, here's a medical study done on Clenbuterol:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4045696
Therapeutic dose (20, 40 and 80 micrograms/man) of clenbuterol hydrochloride, a beta 2-adrenergic stimulant, was orally administered to healthy volunteers, and the unmetabolized drug in plasma and urine was determined by enzyme immunoassay. The plasma levels of clenbuterol reached the maximum value of 0.1, 0.2 and 0.35 ng/ml, respectively, in a dose-dependent manner within 2.5 h, which lasted for over 6 h after the administration. The half-life of clenbuterol in plasma was estimated to be about 35 h. When the drug was orally administered repeatedly to men twice a day, the plasma level reached the plateau within 4 d after the initial administration. At that time, the plasma levels of the unchanged form were 0.2 to 0.3 ng/ml and 0.5 to 0.6 ng/ml at doses of 20 and 40 micrograms/man, respectively. The bound ratio of the drug to plasma protein was estimated to be 89-98% at a single administration of 80 micrograms of the drug. The cumulative urinary excretion of unchanged compound corresponded to about 20% of the administered dose as measured at 72 h following a single oral administration.
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Originally posted by SniXSniPe View PostOkay, here's a medical study done on Clenbuterol:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4045696
Let me know if you need me to break down this study for you. Keep in mind, Clenbuterol only has a half-life of approximately 36 hours. So unless Canelo took the Clenbuterol / tainted meat within 6 hours of taking that drug test, his Clenbuterol levels were abnormally high.
“We acknowledge that the clenbuterol meat contamination issue is unsatisfactory,” said Olivier Niggli, Director General, WADA. “Accordingly, since 2011, the Agency has carried out several research studies aimed at providing analytical means to distinguish ingestion of clenbuterol by pharmacological origin versus that of meat contamination,” he continued. “We will continue to invest in scientific research to try to solve this issue as quickly as possible,” Niggli continued. “However, in the meantime, we maintain that disciplinary proceedings against athletes with low level urinary concentrations, from countries known for significant risk of exposure, would have little to no prospect of success; and, would be very unfair to the athletes concerned.”
Here's WADA's threshold limit taken from the same link
"All of the values were below 1ng/ml and therefore in the range of potential meat contamination cases"
Canelo's results were 0.6-0.8.
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/ne...rd-documentary
Canelo would be in the clear under WADA.
Do you know more than WADA?
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Originally posted by Robbie Barrett View PostHere's WADA saying they give people in contaminated meat countries a pass.
“We acknowledge that the clenbuterol meat contamination issue is unsatisfactory,” said Olivier Niggli, Director General, WADA. “Accordingly, since 2011, the Agency has carried out several research studies aimed at providing analytical means to distinguish ingestion of clenbuterol by pharmacological origin versus that of meat contamination,” he continued. “We will continue to invest in scientific research to try to solve this issue as quickly as possible,” Niggli continued. “However, in the meantime, we maintain that disciplinary proceedings against athletes with low level urinary concentrations, from countries known for significant risk of exposure, would have little to no prospect of success; and, would be very unfair to the athletes concerned.”
Here's WADA's threshold limit taken from the same link
"All of the values were below 1ng/ml and therefore in the range of potential meat contamination cases"
Canelo's results were 0.6-0.8.
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/ne...rd-documentary
Canelo would be in the clear under WADA.
Do you know more than WADA?
via WADA:
7. WHAT IS THE STATUS OF CLENBUTEROL? UP
Clenbuterol is an anabolic agent that prohibited at all times (i.e., both in- and out-of-competition). There is no threshold under which this substance is not prohibited.
At present, and based on expert opinions, there is no plan for WADA to introduce a threshold level for clenbuterol.
It is possible that under certain circumstances the presence of a low level of clenbuterol in an athlete sample can be the result of food contamination. However, each case is different and all aspects and context of the case need to be taken into account during the results management process. According to the World Anti-Doping Code, the athlete has the opportunity to explain how a prohibited substance entered their body during the results management and/or or hearing phase of their case.
WADA is working closely with specific countries, International Federations and event organizers to help minimize the risk of meat contamination. Food contamination as a public health issue is primarily a matter for governments to resolve.
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