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Old 04-01-2019, 10:23 AM #101
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I went from using FB severally times a day to stopping almost entirely 6 months ago because they have a clear agenda and I don't support it. Their enforcement team picks and chooses who they allow leeway to.

I'm not afraid to give everyone a voice. I don't feel threatened by people thinking differently than I do. I can ignore them. But, I'm very weary about selective censorship. Even if it "feels" right, it won't when your group is the one that gets targeted.
ok wait, you are ok with all groups having an agenda and using someone else's platform (facebook) to push their agenda but you are not ok with facebook having its own agenda and using their own platform to push it?
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Old 04-01-2019, 10:33 AM #103
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that's a very slippery slope. you've got geeks in a new-aged hipster office trying to write lines of code that will diagnose, highlight, and or block certain types of speech. this is a strange, strange time. i have not used the facebook for years.
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Old 04-01-2019, 10:41 AM #104
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The news on TV said they are proactively looking and seeking white supremacists and banning accounts, AND telling the Feds.... about damn time!


it's done with algorithms. they've [arbitrarily] determined a threshold for what they consider white separatist, nationalist, whatever. they'll then use technology [primarily] to go through the billions and billions of posts and accounts and weed out what they've deemed harmful.

i'm sure there will be some human involvement for larger en******, banning big accounts, etc. for now and for the layman it could be as simple as catching a banhammer for liking a racist post or picture. all done automatically with software.
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Old 04-01-2019, 11:03 AM #105
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ok wait, you are ok with all groups having an agenda and using someone else's platform (facebook) to push their agenda but you are not ok with facebook having its own agenda and using their own platform to push it?
Slow down there child...
"platform to push their agenda".. Facebook allows groups to represent themselves and share information with those who choose to follow that page. They are not given anywhere NEAR the same level of control or ability Facebook has to "push" agendas. If you subscribe to a group's page you see their content. That's it.
Facebook however can and does manipulate the priority of the content, and influences what you see. They've even fully admitted to showing people negative content to see how it affects their behavior and usage while in Facebook.

If you don't want... let's say Alex Jones... to have any influence over your Facebook feed or to be able to monitor your activity, then you have full control over that. However, you don't have full control over how Facebook manipulates the content it gives you or in the manner it gives it to you.

If that wasn't enough, Facebook was brought before congress because it allowed advertising that was subversive toward the presidential election. That wasn't some group's Facebook page. That was Facebook lining their pockets while letting their advertisers perpetrate unprecedented agenda push. You're trying to tell me individual Facebook pages are given the ability to manipulate like that? GTFO.

FFS... You guys on here with the "gotcha" posts really need to get educated and put 2 cents of thought into what you say.

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Old 04-01-2019, 11:43 AM #106
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Slow down there child...
"platform to push their agenda".. Facebook allows groups to represent themselves and share information with those who choose to follow that page. They are not given anywhere NEAR the same level of control or ability Facebook has to "push" agendas. If you subscribe to a group's page you see their content. That's it.
Facebook however can and does manipulate the priority of the content, and influences what you see. They've even fully admitted to showing people negative content to see how it affects their behavior and usage while in Facebook.

If you don't want... let's say Alex Jones... to have any influence over your Facebook feed or to be able to monitor your activity, then you have full control over that. However, you don't have full control over how Facebook manipulates the content it gives you or in the manner it gives it to you.

If that wasn't enough, Facebook was brought before congress because it allowed advertising that was subversive toward the presidential election. That wasn't some group's Facebook page. That was Facebook lining their pockets while letting their advertisers perpetrate unprecedented agenda push. You're trying to tell me individual Facebook pages are given the ability to manipulate like that? GTFO.

FFS... You guys on here with the "gotcha" posts really need to get educated and put 2 cents of thought into what you say.
Thats not exactly how it works.

You will be presented alot of stuff your facebook friends subscribe too. Therefore its not just members of a group seeing that stuff. And I chose to share then all my friends are getting it whether they like it or not.

Any group can in fact buy advertising on facebook.

I dont care about how facebook pushes content because guess what... its their own damn platform and they can do whatever they want with it. Thats how that works. These groups can deal with it or push their agenda on another platform.

Apparently you are ok with everyone having a voice on facebook except facebook themselves.

By the way stop thinking that people who dont share the same opinion as you are just trying to play gotcha.

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Apparently you are ok with everyone having a voice on facebook except facebook themselves.
You realize you fuked up there, right? There is a strong difference between me feeling that people should be able to have different interest groups on a PLATFORM called Facebook and me allowing Facebook to manipulate my news and social update feed with things that serve Facebook's interest.

Yes, they are allowed to do what they do. Grow up. I never said it was illegal. I said I refuse to be a part of it.

Also, that example you used about seeing things from your friend's feeds. Who do you think controls much of that content you see? Facebook. That's the whole purpose of their default sort which resets every time you try to change it. I used to go with only a sort by time feed but they began manipulating that too.

IDK if you simply can't understand the difference of or if you refuse to understand, but I don't care to let FB decide which groups I will get information from. You can feel free to enjoy it though.
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do you have some documentation for your personal stories?

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you didnt address any of my points.

so try again please
Without taking up the issue Travesty is addressing. Personal accounts are anecdotal sources of proof. They are valid for a certain standard of debate. Certainly on a thread such as this they would qualify as relevant to a discussion such as this issue.

Why would Travesty lie? Lets think it through: Travesty's brain says "Wow I have to impress other posters, let me make up some stories!" Do we think like that? Is it possible that Travesty exxagerated? Yes. But its notable that he gave 3 accounts, so this is a good check against perhaps exxagerating, or misinterpreting something.

Also, many other people report similar occurances. Again I am not addressing the issue of White Privalege per se... But the motive to simply lie is suspect if we think it through.

I am going to say one thing further on this issue: I was a bouncer for many years...In Baltimore, San Francisco and other areas like Southern Maryland. People are often racially profiled. For whatever reason...It just is reality. Now, for example in Baltimore, sometimes the racial profiling was fairly accurate, but I never would do so when I was working because I felt it was unjust to those who were innocent so to speak!

We all do it and its not always a bad thing to do: When I was a kid growing up, as a White kid in East Harlem if I saw a group of Black, or Puerto Rican kids walking, you bet I would cross the street silently as possible. And there was a fairly good likelyhood that I would be jumped if I didn't... This brings up another question: Is all racial profiling harmful? In my case, my friends were also Spanish and Black Kids, so it was even more upside down...

Its a complicated issue and so is censorship.
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I went from using FB severally times a day to stopping almost entirely 6 months ago because they have a clear agenda and I don't support it. Their enforcement team picks and chooses who they allow leeway to.

I'm not afraid to give everyone a voice. I don't feel threatened by people thinking differently than I do. I can ignore them. But, I'm very weary about selective censorship. Even if it "feels" right, it won't when your group is the one that gets targeted.
Dovetailing off of your post Red because like yourself I had the same experience and just do not use FB anymore.

Its very hard to navigate this issue but as Americans, we should accept that freedom is the most important value. When anything, whether it be racism, socio-economics, etc interfere with our freedoms it will create serious threats to the liberty of all. And "FOR ALL" means just that.

Most people if they were asked what ethics America was founded upon would stutter... Well heres a hint. John Locke influenced property rights by making them an extension of natural law as opposed to class privileges for the Nobility. To Locke the idea was to use the land, make it productive, hence we had real challenges to English ownership systems founded in heirs taking land unconditionally.

The second big development was Utilitarian Ethics, John Stuart Mill among others...the idea that the greater good was more important than just the individual's rights. Hence, we have a dual system in America: One where "Every man for himself" in the pursuit of self interest, ownership interests, etc goes along with "no man is an Island" and these interests must balance out with the social contract we make with the state, with government.

What this has to do with censorship is the following. First off, while the perception of privalege is real to those who experience it, the root MATERIAL cause of inequality is socio-economic factors. Karl Marx realized this. In effect in a society with a small controling interest, like the socialist countries today...China chief among them, there can be no real freedom because of the limited socio-economic opportunities. But before wanting China to become a free society, realize that if our standard of living were adapted by China, the world would be out of resources very quickly... Just a scary fact to ponder.

In our our country there is group of individuals with privalege. This includes Washington, which is fighting tooth and nail to maintain their privalege against Trump, who is not a Washington insider. This also includes a class of very wealthy individuals who control the media and other large companies which can be shown to originate to a couple of corporate boards. These institutions must create chaos and keep people fighting and one of the best ways to do this is to Censor the media.

And it is that simple folks because most realize that banning HATE SPEECH and certain language ruled out by the First Amendment does not require picking racial divisions... Yet look at this thread! It works doesn't it? I bet there is not one poster on here that would not agree with the statement: "Banning speech that even the first amendment bans as dangerous, is a necessity to have free speech."

So why does Face Book decide to be racially inflammatory? Well...lets look at real White Privalege for a moment. I guarantee that most on here have no idea about what the central generator for it, even looks like... I am not talking about its affects, rather the institutions and projects that will affect and divide society, vis a vis generate the idea of racism as opposed to classism. Lets look at why:

First off, I don't care what Private School you went too... The schools were these kids are reared are often Boarding Schools, You read about them ocasionally... Often about the costs which are astronomical and...the many incidents of Sexual abuse which are part of the rearing process in these institutions. These kids are raised by other people, and taught the trades that will be useful when taking over helping to run syndicates that advance the agenda of the Elites. It is that simple.

The rich and the poor are remarkably similar and entirely different than the Middle class. Both the Rich and Poor are identified more by class than as an individual. Both are inflexible, where as the Middle Class creates wealth, creates in general... Meanwhile the poor and rich are riddled by drug abuse (its true read the stats), are raised by insititutions... The poor by government programs, after school care, before school care, etx....the Rich by tutors, boarding schools, etc.

The elites that come out of these institutions are often racist, classist, and Narcisistic, often perverted, and many many are Sociopaths, even psychopaths. These people can affect the course of a life for a Black person...by creating incentives, policies, and putting in certain judges, etc... that will send more black people to jail. Now does it matter if they do the same for poor white people? THATS WHY WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL!!! The poor white guy is not the enemy!! White Privalege is promulgated by a certain kind of individual who creates institutions and policies that will maintain their power structure and hurt those on the bottom... Make them a vassal, a means to an end. Again, they hate the Middle class because they cannot do this to the middle class, so they try to get rid of it, replacing it with a class that is well to do and one on the dole.

Scholars like sociologists like C Wright Mills wrote about this in "The Power Elite." Censorship is a great divisive strategy as it pitts members of communities who do not have real power as separate en****** against each other. White Nationalism is a working class, poor movement. It is informally organized and basically a rural phenomena. So people in Elite think tanks create social media outlets to bring these groups into conflict with minority groups operating in an urban structure...of the same socio-economic class.

The truth is that the groups on the front line...

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They could not give two craps about White Nationalism... They are tackling a real problem and have no time to consider the separatist bait that elite syndocites are using to divide people.

Recognizing the real enemy is always the first step to a succesful campaign. Gorgous Dre says it a million times better than I ever could.
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One of the best pieces of work, worth a look! Basically Whites and Blacks on the lower end of the socio-economic spectrum are accessible. Accessible through social media, through conflict, and ready to be egged on. BUT the real enemy behind the scenes continues to advocate censorship which will never solve any problems, only create more.

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