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Old 11-14-2017, 09:26 PM #141
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I'm going to China to make money.
As a capitalist.

That's if you're to be believed, of course. I've noticed on this site almost everyone who discusses their finances makes 6 figures, has a cushy job or owns their own business, has no money worries, etc.

I take it all with a grain of salt.

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Did you figure it out?
No, I've yet to figure out how anyone who lives in the US and has a room temperature IQ and a basic education can defend communism.
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Old 11-14-2017, 09:28 PM #142
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I'm going to China to make money.

Figure it out?
You didn't address the crux of the post.

How do you explain the increased standard of living in China when they moved from a communist economy to a capitalist one?
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Old 11-14-2017, 09:48 PM #143
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You didn't address the crux of the post.

How do you explain the increased standard of living in China when they moved from a communist economy to a capitalist one?
It was through a managed transition to capitalism.

Probably the main sense in which it differed from other notable instances of capitalist development was in the strong role of the State.

I'm not comfortable defending Chinese communism as such, but it is important to understand Mao's appeal in the context of the Japanese occupation of China, which was followed by the brutal civil war, from which the Communists emerged victorious.

As a strong unifying factor at a time when China was arguably in need of strong government authority, given the political vacuums from the decades of weak government authority punctuated by intermittent severe warfare, the Communists arguably served a key function. This coincided with severe external threats, including from the US, the exiled government in Taiwan, and even from the Soviet Union, their ally.

There were severe failures, but the success in unifying the country was accomplished.

The Cultural Revolution was an instance of government tyranny at it's finest. It basically amounted to a party purge, orchestrated through the whole of society.

Taken in it's entirety, Mao's regime could be explained with the phrase: 'Desperate times call for desperate measures.' Perhaps, that is.

Questions of moral basis for leadership aside, it was indeed from the de-collectivization of agriculture that China began it's successful wave of reform. This decollectivization was initiated in response to fears for a major famine, which would have devastated China.

Basically, things were looking bad, and there wasn't even much the state was able to do, so they essentially told the collectives they were on their own, to do what they will.

It succeeded, and decollectivization of agriculture proceeded at brisk pace.

This roughly coincided with (or rather came slightly after) the opening of relations between the US and China, with Nixon's initial visit.

Mao's death, and the consequent ascendance of Deng Xiaoping, coalescing with the aftermath of the US failure in Vietnam, were additional catalysts for further opening. Increased trade has implications in the way of domestic expansion of production, and China was now emerging as the world center of manufacturing which it has become.

The indigenous agricultural reforms was a significant event, coupled with other circumstances, in driving China toward greater economic openness and the proliferating and encouraging of market-based economics. The existence of a large, reasonably educated and literate, and reasonably disciplined massive labor pool, eased the transition to a factory-based economy.

Yeah, Capitalism works. But China is still very heavily socialist, as well.

For instance, as a matter of my employment contract, my health insurance is 100% covered. They have national health insurance; I don't know how large the expense is that my employer is footing (probably not that much), what I do know is that I will no longer be shelling out $160 a month for health insurance (which, incidentally, I have never really used).

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Old 11-15-2017, 10:02 AM #144
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Trump supprters the type to molest their own kids, and be like, "what, she looked at me like she wanted it."

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Now this week they are defending a pedo and are hoping he gets elected Senator in Alabama just to make sure they keep control of the Senate. I guess electing a pedo as Senator doesn't normalize them.
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Old 11-15-2017, 10:49 PM #146
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Hannity has come out against him and the Alabama ultra conservative site Yellowhammer. Both have defended him before. Like I was saying earlier. Moore isn't the hill you wanna die on. Dude is a creep. Don't know if he assaulted those women but he's a creep for sure
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Old 11-15-2017, 10:52 PM #147
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If that's true, then hopefully Allred gets disbarred.

She had to know her client appeared before Moore in court long after she said she had no contact with him.
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Hannity has come out against him and the Alabama ultra conservative site Yellowhammer. Both have defended him before. Like I was saying earlier. Moore isn't the hill you wanna die on. Dude is a creep. Don't know if he assaulted those women but he's a creep for sure
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Doesn't change the fact that she lied when said she had no contact at all wtih him since 1977. Alred is notorious for getting women to follow a script, cry on demand and squeeze every drop of money she can out of them. He cab be a creep, but something doesn't sit right about all of this.
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It was through a managed transition to capitalism.

Probably the main sense in which it differed from other notable instances of capitalist development was in the strong role of the State.

I'm not comfortable defending Chinese communism as such, but it is important to understand Mao's appeal in the context of the Japanese occupation of China, which was followed by the brutal civil war, from which the Communists emerged victorious.

As a strong unifying factor at a time when China was arguably in need of strong government authority, given the political vacuums from the decades of weak government authority punctuated by intermittent severe warfare, the Communists arguably served a key function. This coincided with severe external threats, including from the US, the exiled government in Taiwan, and even from the Soviet Union, their ally.

There were severe failures, but the success in unifying the country was accomplished.

The Cultural Revolution was an instance of government tyranny at it's finest. It basically amounted to a party purge, orchestrated through the whole of society.

Taken in it's entirety, Mao's regime could be explained with the phrase: 'Desperate times call for desperate measures.' Perhaps, that is.

Questions of moral basis for leadership aside, it was indeed from the de-collectivization of agriculture that China began it's successful wave of reform. This decollectivization was initiated in response to fears for a major famine, which would have devastated China.

Basically, things were looking bad, and there wasn't even much the state was able to do, so they essentially told the collectives they were on their own, to do what they will.

It succeeded, and decollectivization of agriculture proceeded at brisk pace.

This roughly coincided with (or rather came slightly after) the opening of relations between the US and China, with Nixon's initial visit.

Mao's death, and the consequent ascendance of Deng Xiaoping, coalescing with the aftermath of the US failure in Vietnam, were additional catalysts for further opening. Increased trade has implications in the way of domestic expansion of production, and China was now emerging as the world center of manufacturing which it has become.

The indigenous agricultural reforms was a significant event, coupled with other circumstances, in driving China toward greater economic openness and the proliferating and encouraging of market-based economics. The existence of a large, reasonably educated and literate, and reasonably disciplined massive labor pool, eased the transition to a factory-based economy.

Yeah, Capitalism works. But China is still very heavily socialist, as well.

For instance, as a matter of my employment contract, my health insurance is 100% covered. They have national health insurance; I don't know how large the expense is that my employer is footing (probably not that much), what I do know is that I will no longer be shelling out $160 a month for health insurance (which, incidentally, I have never really used).
I agree with most of your historical timeline analysis. Not sure how you can mention China's sensitivity to foreign intervention/investment without the opium trade with Britian.

I would add that China is a hybrid state. We're very concerned as people with categories and titles. They're commie, they're socialist, they're capitalist etc.

China exhibits economic nationalism with vestiges of socialism and communism. Most decisions are made in relation to how they will effect china domestically from many of the external problems you have mentioned. These decisions are not made democratically.

Economic Nationalism is pragmatic by nature and doesn't follow a strong ideology as every economic policy decision is case by case.

It's a great system and doesn't allow for china, or other nations to get pimped and exploited--Which I think happened to the U.S in the last 40 years.
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