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Old 11-14-2017, 05:15 PM #321
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I'm going to have to ask you to refrain from cutting and pasting the same disproved talking point over and over.

We need to move the discourse forward, not in circles of nonsense.

If you can't, I'll concentrate on Virgil and let you alone to repeat yourself like a Gruber trained parrot to your hearts content.
We don't need to do anything. You don't have to respond to my posts. He's a pedophile. You are supporting him

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Old 11-14-2017, 05:26 PM #322
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As I put in another post, I suspect Pence may be up to his gills in the Flynn stuff.

The firing of Flynn was nominally for lying to Pence about his Russian connections. I don't believe he lied to Pence, I believe this rational was contrived to insulate Pence.
But you have no proof of that, correct?

It could be that Flynn was just dirty and in it totally for Flynn, correct?

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Flynn and his son are facing allegations which include conspiracy to commit kidnapping, as well as multiple incidents of actions that may be determined, in the courts, to be treasonous.
Can you source that, especially the kidnapping part?

I know he's been deposed/interrogated, yes. But that's in relation to the Russian meddling to my understanding.

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If the justification for firing Flynn is found out to be false, that alone will potentially implicate Pence.
No, that would be on Trump (assuming it's true, of course).

I think you're off the rails on this, especially about Pence.
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Old 11-14-2017, 05:28 PM #323
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We don't need to do anything. You don't have to respond to my posts. He's a pedophile. You are supporting him
Since you are stuck on stupid, you need to go simmer down as John told you to do.

When/if you do, and you can discuss facts like an adult, I'll be happy to continue.

But if you're just going to repeat bs allegations made by DNC operatives over and over while resorting to insults, I'm not interested in such nonsense.
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Old 11-14-2017, 05:48 PM #324
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If the justification for firing Flynn is found out to be false, that alone will potentially implicate Pence.
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No, that would be on Trump (assuming it's true, of course).
No, you are wrong. It would be Pence.

The stated reason for firing Flynn was he lied to Pence about Flynn's connection to Russia.

With the FBI putting the screws to Flynn and his son, if the justification for firing Flynn was a lie, contrived to insulate Pence, this will be made known, by Flynn, to the FBI.

Therefore, Flynn could take down pence; it is within the realm of current possibilities.

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But you have no proof of that, correct?

It could be that Flynn was just dirty and in it totally for Flynn, correct?
Of course I have no proof. It is an open investigation.

I am not a Mueller staffer leaking information through Boxingscene, no.

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Can you source that, especially the kidnapping part?

I know he's been deposed/interrogated, yes. But that's in relation to the Russian meddling to my understanding.
Here you go.

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Old 11-14-2017, 05:50 PM #325
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Here is the original story, from WSJ on the kidnapping plot. I believe WSJ broke the story.

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No, you are wrong. It would be Pence.
On what grounds would this result in Pence being removed from office?

Thanks for the links.

Of course they lend credence to Flynn being in it totally for Flynn (and maybe his son).

But I don't see how thats going to get Trump removed.

Still sounds like VERY wishful thinking.
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On what grounds would this result in Pence being removed from office?

Thanks for the links.

Of course they lend credence to Flynn being in it totally for Flynn (and maybe his son).

But I don't see how thats going to get Trump removed.

Still sounds like VERY wishful thinking.
Flynn was fired for lying to Pence.

If Flynn actually told Pence the truth, but was fired to insulate Pence (so that Pence could deny knowing what Flynn had supposedly lied to Pence about--that is, Flynn's Russian meetings), then Pence perjured himself when he claimed to not know of any such meetings.

Now that Flynn is in the clutches of the FBI, and he together with his son(!) are potentially facing charges of conspiracy to commit kidnapping, as well as treasonable offenses, you can bet that the Flynns are singing the best that they can sing. Even to the point of possibly implicating the Old Man in deeper shit in an effort to lessen the penalties due the son.

So, as a matter of fact, we do not know whether Flynn lied to Pence (as stated as justification for his firing), or if Pence lied that Flynn lied to Pence.

If the latter is the case, Pence is going down.

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Flynn was fired for lying to Pence.

If Flynn actually told Pence the truth, but was fired to insulate Pence (so that Pence could deny knowing what Flynn had supposedly lied to Pence about--that is, Flynn's Russian meetings), then Pence perjured himself when he claimed to not know of any such meetings.

Now that Flynn is in the clutches of the FBI, and he together with his son(!) are potentially facing charges of conspiracy to commit kidnapping, as well as treasonable offenses, you can bet that the Flynns are singing the best that they can sing. Even to the point of possibly implicating the Old Man in deeper shit in an effort to lessen the penalties due the son.

So, as a matter of fact, we do not know whether Flynn lied to Pence (as stated as justification for his firing), or if Pence lied that Flynn lied to Pence.

If the latter is the case, Pence is going down.
But based on what you say about Flynn, it's fair to say Pence has tons more credibility, wouldn't you agree?
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But based on what you say about Flynn, it's fair to say Pence has tons more credibility, wouldn't you agree?
1. That question has absolutely no relevance to anything.
2. I have no idea, and do not care, as to the answer.
3. Whether Flynn lied to Pence, or Pence lied about Flynn lying to Pence, is likely a detail which will be proved, one way or the other. So, let us just wait for the shoe to fall.
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