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Old 02-24-2020, 12:33 PM #21
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5-10 range should place him over Canelo.

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Heck no.

He should be in the p4p discussions though. Maybe 5-10 range
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Old 02-24-2020, 12:35 PM #22
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Who did Canelo beat that was better than Wladimir Klitschko?

Wilder is better than everyone Canelo beat besides GGG. Many people thought GGG beat Canelo twice, Fury knocked out Wilder.

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P4P? Fury's success is due largely in part to his size and the lack of quality opposition. On a P4P basis he would get smashed out in every other weight class if he were to take his skill set on an even playing field in terms of size.
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Old 02-24-2020, 12:36 PM #23
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Who has wins that are more impressive than Klitschko and Wilder?

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Only Fury dick riders have him at #1 dude Looks like complete ****tt every other fight.
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Old 02-24-2020, 12:37 PM #24
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Who did Canelo beat thatís better than Klitschko?

I think GGG is better than Wilder but Fury knocked Wilder out. GGG probably should have gotten both decisions over Canelo.

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I'm sorry, but no.

Fury has TWO signature wins.

Grabomir is a quality win against a quality opponent.

Wilder is a quality win against a very good opponent.


Meanwhile, Carnelo has held belts in FOUR weight classes at the same time and has never been close to getting stopped like Fury has on multiple occasions.

Come on man, it's not close. Fury #2, Carnelo #1.
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Old 02-24-2020, 12:38 PM #25
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Heavyweights are included.

Mike Tyson was number one p4p in the 80s.

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Not a huge pound for pound guy myself but isn't that for everyone bar the heavyweights?
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Old 02-24-2020, 12:39 PM #26
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I didnít say number one, I said ranked higher than Canelo.

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Sorry but NO.... as "good" as Wilder was as a HW, someone as ridiculously limited as that would not be regarded as a top win in the lower weight classes. Fury deserves to be on the p4p list but I don't think he deserves to be number 1, that is just another case of recency bias. Also his resume lacks depth compared to other top p4p fighters.
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Old 02-24-2020, 12:40 PM #27
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Klitschko was one of the greatest heavyweights of all time and Fury won almost every round.

Wilder was still better than every Canelo Alvarez opponent not named GGG.

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Why? For defeating an overachieving and a limited fundamentally sound fighter with no boxing ability.

Also, for one who would lose to Heavyweight pretenders like Michael Grant and Jameel McCline; Really? Are you kidding me? Are you serious?

You will want to give Fury credit and make him the number 1 P4P fighter in the world just for defeating a overachieving bum like Deontay Wilder?

The point is and I don't even like Canelo Alvarez but Tyson Fury's resume pales in comparison to Ginger's when it comes to fighting top notch competition and notable opponents.

Wladimir Klitschko is the only notable opponent on Tyson Fury's resume. Deontay Wilder doesn't count because he was never shit to begin with like you say.
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Old 02-24-2020, 12:45 PM #28
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Would he? If he was 5-6 135 lbs you dont think he'd be faster and even better boxer than he is now? The guy is a giant and shows skills of a guy 100 lbs less or more at times.

P4P is stupid anyway but I'm gonna disagree with your assessment of his skill compared to the smaller guys on the list ...
No he wouldn't be any better as a LW, because the LW division is stacked with much better talent. All of these giant HWs from Wlad, Wilder and AJ to Fury have distinct size advantages over other opponents. Granted Fury has excellent movement for a guy his size, but I don't think it would correlate well in lower divisions where he would not have a 40 pound weight advantage or a six inch height advantage.

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Wlad was p4p #1 for a while when Floyd retired, wouldn't that same argument apply to him?

Fury is also a highly, highly skilled operator in the ring, and that's regardless of weight. There's only him and Crawford who can switch hit, and Fury is by far the best at it.
Yes, the same argument applies to Wlad. His success was also due to a size advantage over marginal competition. He had an excellent jab and right hand, but that's about it.

Fury, Wlad, Wilder, AJ taking their respective skills down to other weight classes without size advantages over their opponents makes them average at best. As welterweights they wouldn't even be ranked in the top ten.
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Old 02-24-2020, 12:46 PM #29
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All of Canelo Alvarezís wins over top competition were disputed.

Tyson Fury has dominated every top fighter heís ever fought.

He has to rank higher than Alaverez p4p.
and just like canelo... fury also failed a drug test.................
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Heavyweights are included.

Mike Tyson was number one p4p in the 80s.
Fair enough
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