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Who has the better legacy? Joe Calzaghe or Andre Ward?
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Originally posted by Kigali View PostCalzahge shamelessly ducked Glenn Johnson.
Sven Ottke not only fought Glenn he BEAT him
Ward > Calzhage
Slappy Joe never scored a KO over a guy like Kovalev....or anybody for that matter.
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Originally posted by moochi View PostCalzaghe by a country mile.
First thing first Ward never fought outside of his backyard. Calzaghe fought a whos who for about 10 years. Nuff said.
Originally posted by DramaShow View Postwell said ^
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Originally posted by daggum View Postwell said? he didnt fight a whos who for 10 years....he fought a who the hell is this guy for about 8 years. then fought good comp for 2 years before retiring. he wasnt even fighting highly ranked fighters popular or not. he was fighting unknown unranked guys mostly
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Originally posted by DramaShow View Postjoe fought everyone he could. Unfortunately many fighters were reluctant to face him until later in his career. But when joe got the big fights, he rose to the occasion. Kessler, hopkins, roy jones, lacy- joe boxed rings around them. Thats the sign of a true great.
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Originally posted by daggum View Postyeah ok you arent interested in having real debate. you are playing fanboy. he was never interested in fighting ottke who was ranked above him for about 5 years and the unified champ. turned down that fight cause he didn't want to travel. turned down many other fights too like against glen johnson and said he couldnt fight in the states because he was scared of flying(what kind of excuse is that?) his own promoter said this was a lie and he flew often. "But I know my capabilities and unless I got paid the crown jewels I wouldn't want to risk it." this sound like a guy who wants to challenge himself? there's also another calzaghe quote about wanting to fight easy opposition that I used to post all the time during the calzaghe wars of 2007-8 but i cant find it at the moment. no one was reluctant to fight him. you just made that up. he agreed to fight hopkins in the states then changed his demands and wanted the fight in cardiff. this was exposed in court so dont bother bringing that one up. hopkins said ok give me more money and ill go and he said no. calzaghe's own promoter confirmed joe was scared of taking challenges. what more do you want? he had zero interest in being in the lime light and was happy to make a good living being wbo champ. late in his career when he already had made enough money he finally started taking risks although highly calculated. even late in his career he ducked a guy like pavlik!
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Joe fought the who's who in the past 10 years?????????????????
AND THE WEIRD COMMENT OF THE WEEK GOES TO
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Originally posted by DramaShow View Posti keep hearing how joe ducked this guy, joe ducked that guy, joe didnt take any risks yet he somehow ended up with lacy (who was the next big thing, tipped by the 'experts' to destroy joe), kessler (unbeaten at that point), hopkins, eubank and roy jones on his cv. Hopkins wasnt shot by any means as he schooled pavlik around that time. Roy jones was old at that point but so was joe. Theres lots of other solid pros on his resume too, people like woodhall, reid, bika. Joe was a champion for many years, he took on all comers.
yes he was a champion for many years and only acted like one for 2.
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Originally posted by daggum View Postyeah ok you arent interested in having real debate. you are playing fanboy. he was never interested in fighting ottke who was ranked above him for about 5 years and the unified champ. turned down that fight cause he didn't want to travel. turned down many other fights too like against glen johnson and said he couldnt fight in the states because he was scared of flying(what kind of excuse is that?) his own promoter said this was a lie and he flew often. "But I know my capabilities and unless I got paid the crown jewels I wouldn't want to risk it." this sound like a guy who wants to challenge himself? there's also another calzaghe quote about wanting to fight easy opposition that I used to post all the time during the calzaghe wars of 2007-8 but i cant find it at the moment. no one was reluctant to fight him. you just made that up. he agreed to fight hopkins in the states then changed his demands and wanted the fight in cardiff. this was exposed in court so dont bother bringing that one up. hopkins said ok give me more money and ill go and he said no. calzaghe's own promoter confirmed joe was scared of taking challenges. what more do you want? he had zero interest in being in the lime light and was happy to make a good living being wbo champ. late in his career when he already had made enough money he finally started taking risks although highly calculated. even late in his career he ducked a guy like pavlik!
Ottke and his team where the ones who didn't want the fight, not Joe. They said they weren't interested in the fight even though Calzaghe said he had no problems travelling. Go and do your research.
Joe didn't fight Johnson because he had hand injuries. That's why the fight didn't happen the first two times. The third time was when Johnson had a fight against Woods and Joe was lining himself up for the winner. Woods won, but priced himself out the fight with Joe. The Johnson fight was then dead in the water.
Joe was scared of flying, but he never once said that was the reason for fights not happening. You just made that up. Calzaghe had no problem with flying if it made business sense, or if he was doing some promotional stuff like in the Brewer fight.
Wrong on Hopkins again. Do your research. Hopkins asked for 3 mill and got it, but then turned around and asked for double the next day. The fight collapsing wasn't due to Calzaghe wanting it in Cardiff, that's a straight up lie. As I say, do your research to see what the head of showtime had to say on the matter.
Frank Warren always spewed poison on any fighter who left him, so I wouldn't take what he said at this time as the truth. Warren has since backtracked on any of his comments about Joe.
How was fighting his toughest fights when being clearly passed his best "calculated" risks you idiot??? Kessler and Lacy where the fights fans were calling for at 168.They didn't duck Joe like so many had before, so the fights happened. Most were saying Lacy was going to destroy Joe in a few rounds. Joe was the underdog. And against Kessler he was only a slight favorite.
He then stepped up a weight and fought the champ in Hopkins. Nothing calculated about any of that.
You hate Joe, it's easy to see that. But don't go round speaking a load of bull****, yeah.
P.S The Jones fight offered Joe more money than the Pavlik fight did, that's why Joe fought him for his last fight instead.
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