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Old 05-26-2019, 01:58 AM #1
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Default Steve kim has gone full RE-TARD. Lol inouse as p4p number 1.

Don't get me wrong I have the guy in my top ten. Maybe 9 or 10. But at number 1 that's insane with his competition.



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Old 05-26-2019, 02:00 AM #2
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Does anyone know enough about Inoue's competition to know?

I don't, but I see Crawford up there at #2 Ring and his competition has been less than stellar.

The fact Inoue's absolutely destroying his opposition should probably count for something too.

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Old 05-26-2019, 02:16 AM #3
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Who is Inoue's best win?

No problem with him being in the top 10. But #1? Nope, not yet.
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Old 05-26-2019, 02:18 AM #4
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P4P includes "the eye test" so you can choose whoever you like. It is subjective. Not just on record.
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Old 05-26-2019, 02:55 AM #5
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Don't get me wrong I have the guy in my top ten. Maybe 9 or 10. But at number 1 that's insane with his competition.



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Until the boxing world unites behind some precise definition of what exactly 'P4P' is and devises some precise formula for establishing it, anyone can rank who they want any way they want. Bunch of subjective fantasy BS if you ask me... the Breadman had a few interesting observations on it this week as it pertains to Inoue and other lil guys though.

https://www.boxingscene.com/daily-br...e-more--139347

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Why donít you think smaller fighters donít get the credit that bigger ones do. What Inoue is doing is remarkable. Heís not #1 P4P but he would be if he were a welterweight. Why the weight bias?

Breadís Response: Great Question.

I personally love smaller fighters. I was telling friends about Chocolatito 3 years before he made his HBO debut. I was high on Nonito Donaire since the Vic Darchynian win. I saw at least 20 Michael Carbajal fights. And I thought Ricard Lopez was the best fighter in the world after Roy Jones in the late 90s but no one realized it.

Here is the problem for smaller fighters. Being a junior flyweight great is like being the best highschool basketball player in a school with 500 students. Being the great welterweight is like being the best player in a school with 3,000 students.

There are simply more men in the larger weights therefore you have more people competing with you. In the amateurs and the pros. Itís easier to come along at lower weights. For anyone who doesnít believe that, just look at how often an amateur has to fight in large national tournaments at 165lbs then at 114lbs. Also look at how many fights on the average a flyweight fighter has when he gets a title shot, then look at how many a middleweight has. Look how often a fighter wins a title at 126 then at 130. Then look how often a fighter wins a title at 160 then at 168.

Itís just a huge difference. So many recent fighters win titles at 108 then 112. No fighter from this era has even won a title at 147 then 154. The last one to do it was Floyd Mayweather who is not from this era. He turned pro in 1996.

Overall itís just harder to move up at higher weights. Welterweight is the Mason Dixon line. If you need more proof look how often you see fighters from 147-168 get title shots before they have 20 fights. Itís uncommon. But at flyweight a fighter will have a kick boxing back ground and have 6 or 7 fights and challenge for a title. Itís just different.

Last but not least we donít know the smaller weight contemporaries well enough to give them credit for beating great opponents. And that part is a shame. We have look at them and research them. I knew Estrada was special when I watched him vs Gonzalez. But I didnít know his resume. Thatís my fault and again itís a shame.

So after stating all of that, two things happen. Special lower weight fighters have to do more to get recognition and they get underrated. Chocolatito is so underrated itís sad. All of his big opponents were showcased on HBO after he fought them and you could see the quality. Choc never got credit for fighting Murdererís Row past his prime and past his best weight for our entertainment.

I always believed that if Ricardo Lopez was a welterweight he would be a top 10 P4P ever. Thatís what my eyes told me his skill level represented. Sal Sanchez was every bit as good as Hagler and Leonard. But because they were bigger they were considered the best of their eras.

Sanchez and Lopez are special cases. Now we have Monster Inoue in our head lights. I think heís top 4 P4P. Crawford, Loma, Canelo and Inoue are the FAB 4. I really believe that. But I will admit if Crawford, Loma or Canelo flamed their opponents the way Inoue has been, then they would be #1 with a bullet. So there is a weight bias. Itís not fair to the special smaller fighters, but I understand it. Often times WE remain slightly skeptical because we donít know how good the opponents are for these smaller greats.

As a whole we should research better and observe more closely. Some smaller guys benefit because they are small. And some would be special regardless of their weight. And we have to be smart enough to differentiate.
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Old 05-26-2019, 03:03 AM #6
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Racial bias nothing new
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Old 05-26-2019, 03:08 AM #7
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He's closer to top 3 than he is number 10 or 9 IMO.

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oh yeah, that strong Japanese bias in boxing...
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Old 05-26-2019, 03:24 AM #8
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He's closer to top 3 than he is number 10 or 9 IMO.



oh yeah, that strong Japanese bias in boxing...
I mean theyíre both Asian. Like that guy mexican puppet who swears every mexican fighter is the best thing since sliced bread
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I mean theyíre both Asian. Like that guy mexican puppet who swears every mexican fighter is the best thing since sliced bread
lmfao my bad. That one went way over my head.

Thought you were complaining about the long line of Japanese fighters who have gotten favorable decisions...like, they just typically stay on their island and pump out 5 star matches that nobody watches lmao
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There's no undisputed #1 lb4lb today.
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