The strange role of trainers like Angelo Dundee and Ray Arcel....

[Salardo]

Well, I read a few boxing books and I remember Ray Leonard said in his autobiography that he was basically trained by Pepe Correa the whole training camp and Angelo Dundee only joined camp the last week (or maybe last 2 weeks) and gave advice about the strategy. I was very surprised because I thought Dundee was training him the whole time which is not the truth.
Then I read in a book about Roberto Duran that Ray Arcel did the exact same thing: he came into training camp around the last week and was more like the main cornerman during the fight while the real trainer of Duran during training camp was Freddie Brown.
I was very surprised to read that because we all know Ray Arcel and Dundee are known as basically the best trainers of all time (next to Eddie Futch, Manny Steward...).
I know Arcel was already around 80 years old when he was with Duran and in the book it said that Arcel was working his dayjob and then joined Duran's camp the last week before the fight. I mean the dude is awesome that he was still working at that age, I just did not know that Arcel and Dundee were not training their main fighters throughout the whole training camp.

[rightsideup]

Well, I read a few boxing books and I remember Ray Leonard said in his autobiography that he was basically trained by Pepe Correa the whole training camp and Angelo Dundee only joined camp the last week (or maybe last 2 weeks) and gave advice about the strategy. I was very surprised because I thought Dundee was training him the whole time which is not the truth.
Then I read in a book about Roberto Duran that Ray Arcel did the exact same thing: he came into training camp around the last week and was more like the main cornerman during the fight while the real trainer of Duran during training camp was Freddie Brown.
I was very surprised to read that because we all know Ray Arcel and Dundee are known as basically the best trainers of all time (next to Eddie Futch, Manny Steward...).
I know Arcel was already around 80 years old when he was with Duran and in the book it said that Arcel was working his dayjob and then joined Duran's camp the last week before the fight. I mean the dude is awesome that he was still working at that age, I just did not know that Arcel and Dundee were not training their main fighters throughout the whole training camp.

in Duran's case he was left in good hands with Freddie Brown I also think leonard had Janks Morton and Jacobs(first name escapes me at the moment)

[Ray Corso]

Morton was the early trainer for Leonard and Roger Leonard too! Dundee was most noted for being the trainer for slick boxing Willie Pastrano. The Dundee that boxing fans know beginning with Ali was an advisor to the training camps procedure but was the statigised for the fights! Dundee worked with Carme Bassillo at times and Angie was best known back in the day for his bruise and cut work! Excellant cutman!!!
He was a motovator and was very good at evaluating an opponent and giving advice to offset the opponents best attributes!
Jimmy Jacobs was also an advisor who worked with Cus when he first took in Tyson. I worked in a few of Dundees corner and picked up some worth wild tips from him. To me Futch was terrific but the best corner was Brown & Arcel, it ran very smoothly and you listened to them because they knew the sport inside & out! My old friend Johnny Davenport was a hell of a trainer also R.I.P John! Ray.

[NVSemin]

I have nothing to add, but I MUST say this is a great discussion, keep it up!

[Anthony342]

I heard the same thing about Lou Duva. Is that also true about him?

[Ray Corso]

Lou was good for bringing excitement and energy but for me there was to much "personality" going on hahahaha!! I think Lou employed Eddie Alliano (cutman) anytime he could because Eddie was the best and knew ALL the fighters of note!
I prefer a very deliberate corner, very calm and no excitment. I want my fighter to breath deep a few times rinse and then take a drink. I'll give him one offensive suggestion and one defensive suggestion. The only time that wavers is if he's in trouble via getting hurt or a cut, then everything is geared to revive or stopping blood flow!! When a fighter is shock up less said the better, he needs oxygen and his legs under him. Get him up as soon as possible (20 secs left in the rest) up! Ray

[CHEECH]

seemed like to me that Dundee did more training with his guys the younger he was, then became a consultant/chief second specialist as he got older. but corso knows these things first hand and it also seems to me, mayb corso will confirm that Dundee n arcel n well all the bigshot trainers nacho, steward, roach, they're well connected too. if I was to make a general observation from the outside, I say its like a trainer needs to b good enuff at training but better have connections in the game. u know? come on corso, let us in on the game

[Anthony342]

Sounds like it. I remember Duva also working closely with Tommy Brooks wasn't it? At least I saw him in the corner for the Whitaker fights.

[rightsideup]

There is a couple of great books on dundee and arcel. Dundee's is written by himself and bert sugar while arcel's is written by donald dewey.