Why wasn't Andy Lee elite in the past MW era but is now?

[Damn Wicked]

Is this any different than fans who tried to elevate Ortiz, Guerrero, Maidana, Berto when a certain someone chose them as opponents? Suddenly they were "elites".

Same way Abraham, Kessler and Dawson had their status bumped to "elite" when Ward fought them.

You can't say it happens for one fighter while ignoring it for others.

Yup, that's a very good observation.

[Cutthroat]

Each era will have their top dogs for each weight class. With the alphabet soup belts for each division, inevitably there will be weak champions. Just because Indongo was a champion at 140 doesn't make him elite. Jeff Horn isn't an elite either. Crawford and Pac are elites. Most fans can make that distinction without the hyperbole.

Do you consider Jacobs an elite middle weight?

Same way Abraham, Kessler and Dawson had their status bumped to "elite" when Ward fought them.

None of those fighters had their statuses bumped, they earned that status. Abraham & Kessler were the favorites to win the tournament, Froch was blitzing all his competition with ease. Dawson picked apart future cruiser champion and heavyweight Adamek, beat Tarver 2x, Hopkins etc.

You're putting down these great fighters in order to pump up your favorite.

[Jsmooth9876]

So almost beating or drawing with a bunch of guys nobody thinks are good makes you elite?
Good logic, brainiac.

[Cutthroat]

no Andy lee isn't a top middleweight
no bjs isn't considered elite. he is considered food
quillin was most known for ducking korobov and a career high payday


Andy Lee was trash in the last era and he is a nobody in this era.

in what world does a win against korabov and a draw against quillin make you elite?

you dudes need to be banned from talking about boxing.

BJS is elite in the current division, it doesn't mean he could compete with the past or present champions at 154 or 168 or guys of 160's past.

What career middle weights (not counting career welter/jmw's Charlo-Canelo) actually have better wins than BJS? All Jacobs has is Mora-Quillin-Truax and a crushing loss to Pirog he didn't avenge. BJS is undefeated with Eubank Jr.-Lee-Monroe on his resume. It doesn't take much to be at the top at 160.

It'll take 1-2 years before Charlo-Nelo acclimate to the new division.

[Cutthroat]

So almost beating or drawing with a bunch of guys nobody thinks are good makes you elite?
Good logic, brainiac.

Do you consider Jacobs an elite MW? If not who?

[anonymous2.0]

So Lee isn't a top 10 MW? BJS isn't considered an elite MW? Quillin wasn't considered elite?

No I do not. Lee is a good contender but he's not elite. Neither is BJS or Quillin. The two elite fighters at middleweight are Canelo and GGG, and tied for 3rd place is Jacobs and Charlo. It's not a knock on them, but BJS and Lee are just good fighters not elite fighters. Quillin is the dark horse of 160 but def not elite. Again, you are literally the first person I've seen say that Lee is elite.

[Jsmooth9876]

Do you consider Jacobs an elite MW? If not who?

Elite? No.
Elite is Canelo and GGG, maybe Charlo but we don't know yet.

Jacobs is the next level down with maybe Saunders but again, who knows about that guy, he has beaten a couple good names but never looked great doin it.

Lemieux is right after that group, not a great boxer but has devastating power that can win him any fight with one punch.

Andy Lee is a step below every one of those guys. He's a good professional fighter but never had the talent to beat upper level guys at 160 in that era or this one.

What gave you any idea he was considered elite is the question

[Jsmooth9876]

And why compare this era to the last? Of course when you have Pavlick, Hopkins, Taylor etc it's a better group of fighters than now. But I'd put Jacobs with Taylor and Pavlick and give him a good chance to win. Canelo also and obviously GGG. divisions go throu phases with goods and bad. Heavyweight sucked a few years ago with Wlad fighting a bunch of Eurobums fight after fight then you got Wilder, Joshua, Fury, Parker and a few others all popping up on the scene me making it decent again

[Cutthroat]

No I do not. Lee is a good contender but he's not elite. Neither is BJS or Quillin. The two elite fighters at middleweight are Canelo and GGG, and tied for 3rd place is Jacobs and Charlo. It's not a knock on them, but BJS and Lee are just good fighters not elite fighters. Quillin is the dark horse of 160 but def not elite. Again, you are literally the first person I've seen say that Lee is elite.

But who has Jacobs really beaten that makes his resume so much better than BJS?


Canelo and Charlo have just entered the division, they're career junior middleweights. Canelo just cemented his place at 160 with a draw vs ggg, while Charlo's only mw opponent fought on one leg.

When you compare Lee to the rest of the middle weight crop, guys that have fought for years at the weight you'll see he's one of the best guys in the division. The reason being it's not as good as the previous era.

[bluebeam]

Yup, that's a very good observation.

you co signing that dumb ass post shows you are a hater. and here is why.


Abraham was undefeated going into the super 6

Kessler was considered the top 168 fighter in the world going into the super 6

Dawson was 3rd on the p4p list entering his fight with ward.


all facts.