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Old 03-03-2019, 03:06 PM #21
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Ortiz has shown he has one pace and can't up it when he has an inferior opponent and get him out of there. He has power but its probably not as concussive as some say. When he needs to step on the gas and get someone out of there he can't. Couldn't knockout Malik Scott over 12 rounds, ref stopped an out of shape Dave Allen on his feet and struggled to get the stoppage against Kaufman.

I think he would be better with a figher like Povetkin or Whyte coming to him but both those are 50/50 fights for him.

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Old 03-03-2019, 03:36 PM #22
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Ortiz doesn't last two rounds with a motivated David Price.
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Old 03-03-2019, 04:30 PM #23
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It sure seems like you are making Ortiz seem better than he was to make Wilder seem better than he is. Wilder did get the KO over Ortiz but did not give Ortiz a brutal beating. It was the other way around and Ortiz gave Wilder a beating and almost finished him and there was that strange delay right after the round Ortiz landed so many punches on Wilder and had him in so much trouble. Hammer is very fat and slow and not very good. If Ortiz is that good he should have knocked Hammer out. Three other guys KOed Hammer and none of them were big punchers. Hammer said after the fight that he had fought better fighters than Ortiz. Ortiz won easily but he didn't look that good winning. Ortiz is almost forty and it showed. He probably lost the last couple of rounds to a mediocre fighter. I think Ortiz is more like a number 10 heavyweight than a number 5 heavyweight and at his age he will get worse not better. I would pick the bigger faster younger Whyte to beat Ortiz.
Wilder dropped Ortiz 3x and was nailing him with concussive shots throughout the bout, he brutalized him. Nobody is the same after a Wilder fight, Fury may even get knocked out by some scrub.

Wilder never went down in the bout, there was a sequence where he got hurt (which literally happens to every fighter) and that was the end of it.

Hammer was stopped in his 1st & 8th fights like 10 years ago. He just went 12 against Pedvetkin & when he got stopped against Fury (23 wins, 17 KO's, stopped Chisora) he was not backpedaling like he was against Ortiz, he fought Fury & Wach stalking them and got KO'd like that.

Hammer was happy to just survive in there, he tried to win all but 1 round.
I rank Hammer on the level of Chisora, he performed equally well as Chisora did against Fury and that's Whyte's 2nd best win lol.

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Old 03-03-2019, 04:39 PM #24
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People want Ortiz out of the way for some weird reason. I don't know if he makes them nervous for AJ or Wilder but it is weird how for this fight as well as the Kaufman fight how people act as those fights was close
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Old 03-03-2019, 04:45 PM #25
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Seeing a lot of triangle theories here...
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Old 03-03-2019, 04:52 PM #26
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Ortiz has shown he has one pace and can't up it when he has an inferior opponent and get him out of there. He has power but its probably not as concussive as some say. When he needs to step on the gas and get someone out of there he can't. Couldn't knockout Malik Scott over 12 rounds, ref stopped an out of shape Dave Allen on his feet and struggled to get the stoppage against Kaufman.

I think he would be better with a figher like Povetkin or Whyte coming to him but both those are 50/50 fights for him.
How was he supposed to stop Scott when all he threw was 13 punches a round? Ortiz may have very well stopped Hammer but didn't get a full 12 like Pedvetkin.

-Scott only threw 13 punches a round and still got dropped 5x in pure survival mode.

-Allen's own corner had the towel in their hands at the time the ref stopped it, he was getting beaten badly.

-Kaufman was last stopped 10 years ago, since then he's been beating guys like Mansour. He's like Chisora level.

Ortiz is still top 5 in the division.
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Old 03-03-2019, 08:07 PM #27
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Old 03-03-2019, 08:18 PM #28
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Stll don't know the point of this thread. Wasn't he expected to?

Who are the top ten in this division? Is Hammer one of them?
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