People don't realize how big these super heavies are. Old era fighters couldnt hang..

[N/A]

Yeah but wilder sucks and we will see that when joshua does him some permenant harm in the ring.

There are 7 billion people on the planet. At worst, Wilder is the second best boxer on Earth. If to you, that means he sucks, you must have a very negative outlook on life.

Even if Joshua destroys Wilder, it wouldn't change the fact that Wilder is a great fighter and one of the two best our world has to offer right now.

[aretrospective]

This is pretty obvious! There is a reason why weight divisions exist and not stamina divisions, skill divisions, experience divisions and so forth so on. This is because weight is the most decisive factor which determines who wins a boxing bout between two opposing boxers.

Since the late 1980's, boxing, especially the heavyweight division has changed significantly. Boxers from the late 1980's up to today are almost a new breed. They are modern heavyweights whilst majority of the boxers before that period wouldn't even be allowed to box against some of the modern heavyweights. There aren't much differences between boxers of the late 1980's and 1990's compared to the boxers of the 20th or 21st century. However, prior to the 1980's, heavyweights are significantly different to the point where majority wouldn't even qualify as heavyweights today.

Those who are claiming ancient boxers like Ken Norton, Ali and so forth so on would beat modern heavyweights are merely fantasizing. Those claims aren't really based on any objective / factual evidence. It's more likely based on nostalgia. The idea that when athletes in practically every other athletic sports are improving and the same wouldn't be the case with boxers is extremely irrational, naive and delusional. Things have advanced in the modern era compared to past eras. Nutrition has advanced. Training methodologies have advanced. Tactics and styles have advanced and so forth so on. Therefore, it's more feasible to infer that athletes in boxing have also advanced, rather than vice versa. Those who are clinging on to nostalgia so dearly are free to remain in the past whilst real boxing fans who want to move forward or live in the present can enjoy modern boxers more.

Many of those complaints against modern heavyweights are irrational. The expectations of modern heavyweights by those complainers are also irrational. Of course a 6 foot 3 inches + and a 240 pound+ modern heavyweight isn't going to be EXACTLY as fast as the fastest sub 200 pound boxer who is less than 6 foot 4 inches in height. Nor are they going have the EXACT same level of endurance as those guys. However, the modern 6 foot 3 inches + and 240 pound + heavyweights are generally FAR more athletic than the ancient 6 foot 3 inches + and 240 pound + heavyweights. Compare like for like and the results will be more appropriate.

Modern sized heavyweights don't need to be exactly as fast as ancient heavyweights. Nor do they need the exact same level of endurance. They have other more SIGNIFICANT advantages which make up for the deficiencies in those departments where they may relative lack in.

This ^^^

A well written & thought out post

[Mr Objecitivity]

There are 7 billion people on the planet. At worst, Wilder is the second best boxer on Earth. If to you, that means he sucks, you must have a very negative outlook on life.

Even if Joshua destroys Wilder, it wouldn't change the fact that Wilder is a great fighter and one of the two best our world has to offer right now.

Wilder hasn't beaten enough top level opposition to qualify as the '2nd best heavyweight in the world'. On what basis is he better than Kubrat Pulev, Luis Ortiz, Alexander Povetkin, Joseph Parker and so forth so on?

[Evil_Meat]

Yeah but wilder sucks and we will see that when joshua does him some permenant harm in the ring.

Look at the emotion and hate here. Wilder has clearly done some serious hurt on Earl's feelings. Now Earl is so upset that he wants Wilder to be permanently harmed.

[nacho daddy]

Wilder hasn't beaten enough top level opposition to qualify as the '2nd best heavyweight in the world'. On what basis is he better than Kubrat Pulev, Luis Ortiz, Alexander Povetkin, Joseph Parker and so forth so on?

you should re phrase your statement. these guys are only the "best" of the people that are in boxing and training. out of 7 billion people there are many that if were in boxing would the beat the "best" of any era

[juggernaut666]

When Deontay Wilder won the WBC world heavyweight championship, he weighed 219 pounds.

Three decades ago, when Mike Tyson won the WBC world heavyweight championship, he weighed 221 pounds.

Thats because both are power punchers who can fight at that around 220 mark . Lets also not pretend Wilder was fighting Stiverne while Tyson was fighting Berbick a proven legit HW who actually fought some good 80's HW's like Holmes ,Green and Thomas . He has alot of losses too but he actually fought good fighters ..

Wilder is also 6'7 and gets away with being less technical because of his height and reach so weight isnt as crucial in this circumstance though hes going to lose to Joshua and you will then see why weight is crucial when height is about equal with someone who DEFINATELY has elite skills . .

[Mr Objecitivity]

you should re phrase your statement. these guys are only the "best" of the people that are in boxing and training. out of 7 billion people there are many that if were in boxing would the beat the "best" of any era

My point had nothing to do with who is the best. Rather, my point was only related to Deontay Wilder not qualifying as the '2nd best heavyweight in the world'. We go by proven records and based on that, Wilder hasn't proven himself to be deserved of that ranking.

[SN!PER]

Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, I go right through thems. I whoop them boys like they my nephews. And they greats. They the best that ever beens. Yall thought Lennox was good but I'm like a Super Lennox. Cain't nobody survive this right hand Alabama Slamma.

[LetOutTheCage]

Old era fighters couldnt hang? Who are you talking about OP? I hope your not suggesting the like of Ali,Foreman,Holmes,Tyson etc couldnt hang with the current heavyweights

[Cutthroat]

They were tougher back then. Size, reach and height can only go so far. I believe Tyson, Frazier and Ken Norton beat all current HWs. AJ is a bit like Bruno, big but a lumbering robot with no finesse. Also, see:

They are definitely bigger now with a lot of scientific supplements behind them too, but those HW back in the days were lighter and faster. They use to call Foreman a mummy in the 70’s but even he move around better than the ones we see nowadays.

Joshua reminds of Michael Grant, tall guy with a muscular physique, both were stiffs with weak chins. Joshua is lucky that he's in the era of really crappy HWs. If a young Grant was active right now, he would be in the same position as Joshua.

So far I've heard comparisons to Grant, Valuev and Bruno, none of these are accurate comparisons at all. There is a clear difference between the way they move and guys like Joshua, Fury, Wilder move, I mean it's not even close.

When have you ever seen any of these men capable of doing things like this?










Do you guys REALLY think these fighters are in any way comparable to those stiffs you mentioned? Even compared to Lewis and the Klit bros they've got more finesse.

all new boxing f@g fans care about is size size size. joshua has **** stamina. slow, stiff, chinny, & has no clue what footwork is. look at how much chin, heart, footwork ali had? not the ali of the 80s but the ali of the late 60's. the guy was a freak. no one wants to hear about your size obsession.

Ali was down by 185lb Cooper, Cooper doesn't have the power of most modern cruisers these days let alone a heavyweight.

AJ's, Wilder's, Fury's opponents are huge they just make them look small. AJ gets flack for Takam but Takam is a big ****ing dude capable of taking and dishing out punishment.

When Deontay Wilder won the WBC world heavyweight championship, he weighed 219 pounds.

Three decades ago, when Mike Tyson won the WBC world heavyweight championship, he weighed 221 pounds.

Wilder is a freak of nature, he's a lean 6'7 that has the reflexes of a welterweight. You can't find another boxer from any time period that has ever moved like him, that guy oozes explosiveness with his movements.

Tyson was the king of small heavies and even he had trouble against bigger guys.

6'5 Mitch Green went a full 12
6'4 James Smith full 12
6'5 Tony Tucker full 12
6'5 Lewis KO'd him