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Old 10-31-2018, 01:12 PM #21
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You vote O'Rourke and you call yourself a Texan?

What exactly do you like that Orourke likes to say, that he's pro illegal immigration and socialism?
I'm not a Texan. I've lived here for over 30 years, and it would be a step down the evolutionary ladder to call myself a Texan.

Yes, I like his stance on immigration. He has quire correctly brought up the main issue with the "invasion caravan": these people are streaming in from countries whose governments we have supported with military aid for decades. I actually like Trump's idea to halt aid to Honduras and Guatamala until they address their social problems. If you would take the time to look up the definition of "socialism" and compare it to his speeches you'll understand that he is not a pure "socialist" . However, since we are both living in a quasi-socialist country, I really don't see the problem.

You don't think the government should use our tax dollars to build roads, or to protect our borders, or to provide some form of health care protection for senior citizens, or to create an army with our tax dollars to protect our interests abroad? Personally I am in a socialist program called "Medicare" and I like it. Thank you, Big Government.
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Those sort of Republicans can only do well in a heavy blue state like Oregon, put him anywhere else in the country where the landscape is heavy red and he doesn't even get out of the primary.


What are your thoughts on your new governor? I read that he introduced some additional gun control measures on top of the very strict ones your state has already, as well as proposed a 1.3 Billion dollar tax hike?
Kasich is moderate and he won in Ohio. If a moderate republican can't win a primary that reflects very poorly on the Republican party as a whole and shows how unreasonable and extreme the party has become. Not something I would celebrate.

I am not a big fan of Phil Murphy because he worked at Goldman Sachs. As with Corzine I agree with many of his policies but as a general rule I am skeptical of any politician that leaves a job paying him/her 8 or 9 figure salaries per year to take a job as Governor that pays roughly $250k per year.

Yes, he made clear he was going to raise taxes. I don't like it but if he legalizes marijuana that in the long term should mitigate the tax increases long term.

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Not in Chicago.

Or Washingron DC.

Or Detroit.

Or New Orleans.

And on and on.

Criminals love unarmed victims.

Im surprised you'd vote against self-preservation and the right to defend yourself with a gun if needed.
Come to Massachusetts, no one is taking your guns* away.

*except assault rifles that civilians don't need
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Come to Massachusetts, no one is taking your guns* away.

*except assault rifles that civilians don't need
What is an "assault rifle"?

As to if civilians need them, we do in some cases, though its irrelevant and thus mentioned in the text of the 2nd Amendment.
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I voted for Pocahontas because Diehl wants to loosen and roll back gun laws in the state. For me, that's a "diehl" breaker!

Massachusetts has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation and, to no surprise, have lowest rate of gun deaths. Gun control saves lives
So what do you think of Pocahonta's proposed federal legislation of confiscating businesses that makes more than $1 billion by the federal government and have the federal government appoint who is on the board and who runs the business?

You know what we call when a government seizes businesses and nationalizes industries for the working class?

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Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts has one-upped socialists Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: She proposes to nationalize every major business in the United States of America. If successful, it would constitute the largest seizure of private property in human history.

Warren’s proposal is dishonestly called the “Accountable Capitalism Act.” Accountable to whom? you might ask. That’s a reasonable question. The answer is — as it always is — accountable to politicians, who desire to put the assets and productivity of private businesses under political discipline for their own selfish ends. It is remarkable that people who are most keenly attuned to the self-interest of CEOs and shareholders and the ways in which that self-interest influences their decisions apparently believe that members of the House, senators, presidents, regulators, Cabinet secretaries, and agency chiefs somehow are liberated from self-interest when they take office through some kind of miracle of transcendence.

Under Senator Warren’s proposal, no business with more than $1 billion in revenue would be permitted to legally operate without permission from the federal government. The federal government would then dictate to these businesses the composition of their boards, the details of internal corporate governance, compensation practices, personnel policies, and much more. Naturally, their political activities would be restricted, too. Senator Warren’s proposal entails the wholesale expropriation of private enterprise in the United States, and nothing less. It is unconstitutional, unethical, immoral, irresponsible, and — not to put too fine a point on it — utterly bonkers.
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So what do you think of Pocahonta's proposed federal legislation of confiscating businesses that makes more than $1 billion by the federal government and have the federal government appoint who is on the board and who runs the business?

You know what we call when a government seizes businesses and nationalizes industries for the working class?



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Now someone has finally got hold of truly Socialist politicians. Here in Texas, all the TV ads are calling each and every Dem running for office a "socialist" without having a CLUE as to what constitutes a real socialist. Sanders and What's her name from NY are avowed socialists, and their proposals prove it. Warren is just playing to their base, but is definitely in the socialist camp.

They certainly stand apart from the rank and file Demos. I don't hear anyone else calling for nationalization of industries, which is by definition a socialist, if not communist, idea.

Come on, Hillary had many business people on her side; that's one reason the Sandinistas didn't come out and vote for her. But no, right wing nut jobs STILL call her and other Dems "socialists" because it's a scary term.
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So what do you think of Pocahonta's proposed federal legislation of confiscating businesses that makes more than $1 billion by the federal government and have the federal government appoint who is on the board and who runs the business?

You know what we call when a government seizes businesses and nationalizes industries for the working class?



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Perhaps looking at her proposal from an outlet not as partisan as the national review would help balance the discussion.

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Elizabeth Warren has a big idea that challenges how the Democratic Party thinks about solving the problem of inequality.

Instead of advocating for expensive new social programs like free college or health care, she’s introducing a bill Wednesday, the Accountable Capitalism Act, that would redistribute trillions of dollars from rich executives and shareholders to the middle class — without costing a dime.

Warren’s plan starts from the premise that corporations that claim the legal rights of personhood should be legally required to accept the moral obligations of personhood.
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The Accountable Capitalism Act — real citizenship for corporate persons
The conceit tying together Warren’s ideas is that if corporations are going to have the legal rights of persons, they should be expected to act like decent citizens who uphold their fair share of the social contract and not act like sociopaths whose sole obligation is profitability — as is currently conventional in American business thinking.
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Perhaps looking at her proposal from an outlet not as partisan as the national review would help balance the discussion.

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Elizabeth Warren has a big idea that challenges how the Democratic Party thinks about solving the problem of inequality.

Instead of advocating for expensive new social programs like free college or health care, she’s introducing a bill Wednesday, the Accountable Capitalism Act, that would redistribute trillions of dollars from rich executives and shareholders to the middle class — without costing a dime.

Warren’s plan starts from the premise that corporations that claim the legal rights of personhood should be legally required to accept the moral obligations of personhood.
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The Accountable Capitalism Act — real citizenship for corporate persons
The conceit tying together Warren’s ideas is that if corporations are going to have the legal rights of persons, they should be expected to act like decent citizens who uphold their fair share of the social contract and not act like sociopaths whose sole obligation is profitability — as is currently conventional in American business thinking.
His link had substance on what Warren wants to do, your link has fluff and dressing about what Warren wants to do, it doesn't change or refute what was written in the Nation Review.
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His link had substance on what Warren wants to do, your link has fluff and dressing about what Warren wants to do, it doesn't change or refute what was written in the Nation Review.
Ahh, so because what I posted gives a less partisan account of her plan you call it "fluff and dressing". Typical republican response-when you can't refute it, label it negatively.

The National Review gave a one sided view of her proposal. I made it clear I posted only to provide balance. I didn't claim the Review article to be wrong in any way nor did I take issue with it.

I can't understand the motivation in pouting out "it doesn't change or refute what was written in the Nation Review" when I never posted or indicated I was trying to do either of those things with my post.
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