If SRR beat Maxim.

[elfag]

A win over Maxim would equal him to Canelo's accomplishments.

Canelo is 2 months away from defeating the lineal light heavyweight as the reigning lineal middle weight champion.

[Rusty Tromboni]

The universal custom in boxing is, has been and ever will be to get down to the lowest division in which you can comfortably perform, and start there. Robinson did that, like everyone else. He stayed there until it was no longer comfortable. There was no junior middleweight division at the time or, theoretically, he could have reigned there for as long as he wanted in his prime.

Robinson was a true welterweight his first few years in the division, sometimes weighing as little as 145. He made the welter limit for eight or nine years when he had to. Those were same day weigh-ins, mind you. Don't forget, Robby was also a narrow lad, a la Sandy Saddler.

youcan still cut A LOT of weight with same-days. A lot.

Robinson made Welterweight. that is absolutely true. And if we're about customs, then yes, ray was customary.

But when talking about greatness, and comparing him to guys like Walker or Greb - who could have made Welterweight even more easily, but chased down even bigger prey - it's pretty obvious to spot the disparity in greatness.

[The Old LefHook]

Rosenbloom and Loughran are doing well on my most feather-fisted poll. Aren't they some of the big, dangerous prey animals Greb and Walker chased down? Glad they didn't get hurt from the slaps and taps.

[The Old LefHook]

Monzon is being hailed in this thread as having a fantastic ledger. That's hilarious poppycóck, and everyone who has followed boxing even a little knows it. Monzon's ledger is semi-mediocre to medium. To begin with he fought in a lackluster middleweight era. Then took the title from Benvenuti, a medium fighter, an average champion when all is said and done. Then fought old, little Griffith; a little Napoles, a fair Valdez a couple of times, along with the likes of Tony Licata. Bennie Briscoe was a decent win for a midget. A lot of Monzon's record was built out of sight safely in South America and contains much unknown or nondescript opposition. He fought the best middleweights around once he was champ, they just were not great or even really good. Not a terrible ledger, but for the most part so-so competition. He never had a great career rival. That is one of the salient features of his career that everyone is supposed to know.

Historical revisionists need to hang it up. Proof they are desperate is that they chose Monzon's career to try and illustrate what a great ledger of opposition is supposed to look like. Just one problem: A great ledger does not look like Monzon's, for he had only an average ledger, and can be criticized quite cogently for exactly the same shortcomings Robinson is being accused of, other than the accusation of ducking. Damn me if Griffith, Napoles and Briscoe were not much smaller men he enjoyed huge dimension advantages over, by buggery, and also five of his most heralded fights. And all three opponents would be lucky if they could handle the likes of Basilio, who is simply a greater All Time fighter than anyone on Monzon's ledger.

[QueensburyRules]

Monzon is being hailed in this thread as having a fantastic ledger. That's hilarious poppycóck, and everyone who has followed boxing even a little knows it. Monzon's ledger is semi-mediocre to medium. To begin with he fought in a lackluster middleweight era. Then took the title from Benvenuti, a medium fighter, an average champion when all is said and done. Then fought old, little Griffith; a little Napoles, a fair Valdez a couple of times, along with the likes of Tony Licata. Bennie Briscoe was a decent win for a midget. A lot of Monzon's record was built out of sight safely in South America and contains much unknown or nondescript opposition. He fought the best middleweights around once he was champ, they just were not great or even really good. Not a terrible ledger, but for the most part so-so competition. He never had a great career rival. That is one of the salient features of his career that everyone is supposed to know.

Historical revisionists need to hang it up. Proof they are desperate is that they chose Monzon's career to try and illustrate what a great ledger of opposition is supposed to look like. Just one problem: A great ledger does not look like Monzon's, for he had only an average ledger, and can be criticized quite cogently for exactly the same shortcomings Robinson is being accused of, other than the accusation of ducking. Damn me if Griffith, Napoles and Briscoe were not much smaller men he enjoyed huge dimension advantages over, by buggery, and also five of his most heralded fights. And all three opponents would be lucky if they could handle the likes of Basilio, who is simply a greater All Time fighter than anyone on Monzon's ledger.

- -Greatest poppy meltdown in the history of the internet.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Monzon is being hailed in this thread as having a fantastic ledger. That's hilarious poppycóck, and everyone who has followed boxing even a little knows it. Monzon's ledger is semi-mediocre to medium. To begin with he fought in a lackluster middleweight era. Then took the title from Benvenuti, a medium fighter, an average champion when all is said and done. Then fought old, little Griffith; a little Napoles, a fair Valdez a couple of times, along with the likes of Tony Licata. Bennie Briscoe was a decent win for a midget. A lot of Monzon's record was built out of sight safely in South America and contains much unknown or nondescript opposition. He fought the best middleweights around once he was champ, they just were not great or even really good. Not a terrible ledger, but for the most part so-so competition. He never had a great career rival. That is one of the salient features of his career that everyone is supposed to know.

Historical revisionists need to hang it up. Proof they are desperate is that they chose Monzon's career to try and illustrate what a great ledger of opposition is supposed to look like. Just one problem: A great ledger does not look like Monzon's, for he had only an average ledger, and can be criticized quite cogently for exactly the same shortcomings Robinson is being accused of, other than the accusation of ducking. Damn me if Griffith, Napoles and Briscoe were not much smaller men he enjoyed huge dimension advantages over, by buggery, and also five of his most heralded fights. And all three opponents would be lucky if they could handle the likes of Basilio, who is simply a greater All Time fighter than anyone on Monzon's ledger.

Uh... Napoles was the FAVORITE going into their fight... how did he go out again?

The Griffith of the rematch was better than anyone Ray and Hagler faced.

The Valdez of the rematch was better than Ray and Hagler, period.

- -Greatest poppy meltdown in the history of the internet.

he's a really good guy, but he could practice being more dispassionate. he gets worked up about weird things.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Rosenbloom and Loughran are doing well on my most feather-fisted poll. Aren't they some of the big, dangerous prey animals Greb and Walker chased down? Glad they didn't get hurt from the slaps and taps.

Rosnebloom KO'd Ettore. How is that feather-fisted?

Loughran is seen throwing solid steel at Walker.

One guy didn't like hurting people, the other had an injured hand. That meant low KO ratios, but they more than compensated w/ OBSCENE success.