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Old 10-14-2018, 01:35 AM #31
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Old 10-14-2018, 01:40 AM #32
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Aside from being promoted right they are a ton of factors to be a star. Jacobs lost by KO, diagnosed by cancer. Didn’t have significant wins.

Ward just didn’t have the key ingredients. Most guys don’t. Even crawford who is already 31, also not boring, ain’t a star.

Wanna be a star? Entertain the casuals. Have a character. Win the biggest fights. Help yourself. It ain’t gonna be given.
Jacobs didn't have significant wins? He stopped Kid Chocolate in 90 seconds and arguably beat one of the top P4P boxers in the world in Golovkin

At the time he had close to a 90% KO ratio

Deontay Wilder has a 99% KO ratio and isn't a star

It has nothing to do with personality or KO ratio for African Americans

Either you're a coon or not. Just ask guys like Adrien Broner
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Old 10-14-2018, 01:44 AM #33
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Heis argubally a top 25 great and one of the most skilled boxers in history. Looking back, I feel he should've been on the same level as Floyd when it came to popularity. Why didn't Ward ever reach those heights?
he tries to box against elite competition and when he finds out that doesnt work he just cheats. thats not skill, its called corruption and taking advantage of your a-side privilege. he was a joke. yes some people will always ignore reality but they are garbage
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Old 10-14-2018, 02:01 AM #34
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Jacobs didn't have significant wins? He stopped Kid Chocolate in 90 seconds and arguably beat one of the top P4P boxers in the world in Golovkin

At the time he had close to a 90% KO ratio

Deontay Wilder has a 99% KO ratio and isn't a star

It has nothing to do with personality or KO ratio for African Americans

Either you're a coon or not. Just ask guys like Adrien Broner
These are the last few superstars:

1. DLH
2. Floyd
3. Pac
4. Tyson
5. Canelo (least in of among em)

Now you asked why ward isnít like Floyd. Well you can answer that already base on that list.

there are a lot of stars in boxing, one lesser than the other. GGG became a star late in his career. Wilder, albeit also a bit late, is also a star and now participating at one of the biggest heavyweight fight in a while.
Broners of the world are stars because they promote themselves and entertain fans. Letís not pretend he didnít put himself on entertaining scraps and against top guns as well in Mikey, Maidana and Porter.
He is in the same stratosphere as Khan.
Jacobs is a recognisable name, just not as big as them. Peter Quilin and an arguable win wonít get you there.

How long there little stars shine is basically up to them.
You basically gotta help yourself. You canít blame fans why youíre not a star.

Pac didnít even talk trash, and do stupid things yet he was a superstar.
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Old 10-14-2018, 02:15 AM #35
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These are the last few superstars:

1. DLH
2. Floyd
3. Pac
4. Tyson
5. Canelo (least in of among em)

Now you asked why ward isn’t like Floyd. Well you can answer that already base on that list.

there are a lot of stars in boxing, one lesser than the other. GGG became a star late in his career. Wilder, albeit also a bit late, is also a star and now participating at one of the biggest heavyweight fight in a while.
Broners of the world are stars because they promote themselves and entertain fans. Let’s not pretend he didn’t put himself on entertaining scraps and against top guns as well in Mikey, Maidana and Porter.
He is in the same stratosphere as Khan.
Jacobs is a recognisable name, just not as big as them. Peter Quilin and an arguable win won’t get you there.

How long there little stars shine is basically up to them.
You basically gotta help yourself. You can’t blame fans why you’re not a star.

Pac didn’t even talk trash, and do stupid things yet he was a superstar.
Pac
Joshua
Khan
Canelo
GGG

All foreign fighters to the US that have the same personality as Daniel Jacobs or Andre Ward

The foreign fighters I named are all stars

Ward has beaten better fighters than most of the guys I named. Jacobs and Wilder have higher KO percentages than most of the guys I named

First you said ward wasn't a star because of his personality. Well he has the same personality as Joshua and GGG. Then you said well Joshua and GGG are KO punches. Then I said what about Jacobs and Wilder. Now you're saying there's only been roughly 5 stars, but Jacobs and Wilder are stars in their own right

You're all over the place.

The fact of the matter is Canelo, GGG, Pacquiao, AJ, etc don't have to act like coons to sell their fights and are considered the sports biggest stars despite Jacobs and Wilder having similar personalities bit higher KO percentages

Do the math. It has nothing to do with personality or KO percentages.

African American fighters are supposed to fit a typical stereotype and shuck and jive for the masses and act like idiots to sell tickets.

Thank God Jacobs and Ward didn't give in, but continued to do their talking in the ring

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Old 10-14-2018, 02:21 AM #36
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entertaining scraps and against top guns as well in Mikey and Porter.
He is in the same stratosphere as Khan.


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Broner vs Garcia/Porter was not entertaining... Not entertaining enough to make you some massive boxing star. What are you talking about?

Broner gets paid like he does because he's an idiot when the cameras turn on not because he's this great action fighter
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Old 10-14-2018, 02:43 AM #37
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Ward is very charismatic compared to someone like Golovkin, Canelo or Pacquiao. He's just as charismatic as an Anthony Joshua

Unfortunately, standards for African Americans are very different than that of other boxers from different ethnic backgrounds
Explain???????
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Explain???????
Explain what??

I've done plenty explaining on the previous pages
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Snobbish personality
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Pac didnít even talk trash, and do stupid things yet he was a superstar.
This is the point I'm making
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