Ward Beats Usyk

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bellew didnt beat usyk though and i dont think he could. he broner-picked his way to a belt

Sometimes you can get tired of explaining the obvious to some trolls. I don't discuss much anymore with those *******s.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Ward beats this bum with one fkn hand, are you people serious? This guy is another hyped up Ukrainian fraud who fought a bigger bum last weekend and his best win is against the super bum marco huck...come one man don't even mention this fraud in the same sentence as ward.

Ward is the one who has made a career out of fighting Amero-bums in his backyard whilst a real champion in Usyk goes and beats his opponents in their backyard = GLOBAL / INTERNATIONAL CHAMPION!.

You're right. Don't mention Usyk's name in the same sentence as Ward because Ward is only a local American hero whilst Usyk is a global star.

[Mr Objecitivity]

The last man to put Usyk down was a man by the name of Artur Beterbiev and he fights at LHW. Kovalev is a superior puncher to him, he has the power to hurt Uysk.

Uysk couldn't even stop Hunter and lost 4 rounds before he could adjust, and it took him 9 rounds to KO that 5'10 African that was already violently KO'd a few fights earlier, so get that idea of him stopping Kovalev out of your head.


Ward did waaay better vs Froch than Usyk did Briedis who was nowhere near any P4P lists whereas Kovalev was ranked in the top 5 by most people and Froch was on people's P4P lists as well. And did you really compare jet lag to a broken hand?



What would you rather have Mr. Objectivity?

Oleksandr Usyk fought Beterbiev when he was smaller in size comped to what he is now. Thus, his punch resistance was lower then as opposed to now. Oleksandr Usyk is currently a huge cruiser weight in size and can be a normal sized heavyweight. Thus, light heavyweights today aren't going to bother him much. And Kovalev isn't going to be able to hurt Usyk any more than Mairis Breidis could. Mairis Breidis is a more proven power puncher with a concussive KO victory whilst moving on the back foot against a heavyweight that outweighed him by 30 or more pounds. That's a knockout feat Kovalev has never accomplished. Thus making him less impressive as a knockout puncher and less of a threat. Pound for pound abilities is irrelevant because we are discussing a head to head match up here.

And Kovalev himself would never dare to step foot into the ring with Usyk. And for good reason too! You can go and ask him and he himself would disagree with your claims. You have greater confidence in Kovalev's abilities that Kovalev himself does of his own abilities. Which in the end is irrelevant!

And Sergey Kovalev lost just as many rounds to Isaac Chilemba as Usyk did to Michael Hunter and Kovalev also failed to stop Chilemba. So what's your point? Usyk - Hunter should've legitimately ended ina stoppage but the referee made the wrong decision to let it continue and Usyk may just have ended Hunter's career after the beat down he received. Thus, it's as good as a stoppage even if it wasn't officially.

And Kovalev took 8 rounds to stop Jean Pascal. So what's your point?

How exactly did Ward do better against Carl Froch? And pound for pound rankings are irrelevant because it's based on an American establishment that don't rank foreign fighters that don't compete out of USA often, irrespective of their quality. So Breidis might as well be as good as Kovalev. But unlike Ward, Usyk didn't get dropped by Breidis and beat him in his backyard without needing a hometown robbery to win like Ward needed in the first bout against Kovalev.

Oleksandr Usyk displayed a better performance against Breidis too than Ward did against Froch considering Usyk beat Breidis in his backyard whilst Ward fought the entire tournament at home. That alone Usyk > Ward all day long from the perspective of being an international / global boxing superstar.

As for jetlag vs broken hand. I'd rather learn how to punch properly and prevent my hands from being broken in the first place than have a jetlag since majority of Ward's hand injuries is caused by poor punch technique.

Also, having one hand injured still allows a boxer to use the other hand and their entire body properly at the very least. Whereas having a jetlag effects a boxer's entire physical body and prevents them from using it as well as they could. Thus, it could be argued that jet lag can be an even greater detriment to an athlete's performance than an injured hand but at the very least, both Usyk and Ward at were at a similar disadvantage physically.

It's not just single bouts, it's Bellew, Vlasov, and even Roy JRR showing things at the weight they shouldn't if it was truly as good as you believe it is.

Charr is not a top 20 HW, he got KO'd by Povetkin, beaten by Duhapaus, and won a vacant belt over another HW not in the top 20. Briedis couldn't even hurt Perez, what's your excuse for that?


Povetkin wasn't in his prime vs Huck, it was after.

Fatboy Povetkin struggled to beat guys like Chambers and had bad stamina issues.



THIS is prime Pedvetkin, if you can't see the clear difference I really can't help you:

The arguments you're using to discredit the cruiser weight division can also be used to discredit other weight divisions too you know?

So let me apply your argument to other weight divisions:

A prime Alexander Povetkin arguably lost against the best cruiser weight at the time in Marco Huck. The same Marco Huck that was destroyed by Krzystoff Glowacki and other top cruiser weights today. And the same Alexander Povetkin knocks Carlos Takam out cold. Whilst an old, washed up Carlos Takam past his best goes 10 rounds against the best heavyweight in the world today in Anthony Joshua who doesn't even come close to knocking out Takam as cleanly as Povetkin did against a better and younger Takam.

So cruiser weights are showing things at heavyweight they shouldn't if it was truly as good as you believe it is.

You can spin it anyhow you want but the fact is, Manuel Charr is the current heavyweight title holder and the top 3 cruiser weight today in Mairis Breidis knocked Charr out unconscious and more convincingly than any heavyweight did. That's a fact! So why did that happen if the heavyweight division was as good as you believe it to be!

You might argue: "Oh but Charr was already knocked out by Povetkin and lost to Duhapas before facing Breidis"

So let me address this in advance. Takam got knocked out cold by Povetkin too, almost like how Charr did. And Takam was also coming from a decision loss against Joseph Parker (along with a KO loss against Povetkin) before he faced Joshua, just as how Manuel Charr was coming off a KO loss to Povetkin and a decision loss to Johan Duahapas before he faced Breidis.

So why couldn't Joshua KO and old, washed up Carlos Takam who was much smaller than him in size more convincingly or brutally than Povetkin did? So what does that say about the heavyweight division today that a small heavyweight who could practically be a cruiser weight in Alexander Povetkin knocks out an opponent in his prime more brutally than the best heavyweight today who is much bigger in Anthony Joshua?

At least Mairis Breidis knocked Charr out unconscious, even though he was coming off a KO loss to Povetkin and a decision loss to Duhapas. And he did this with a huge size disadvantage too.

Meanwhile, Joshua failed to cleanly KO Takam who like Charr, was also coming off a KO loss to Povetkin and a decision loss to another boxer (Joseph Parker). So your excuse really doesn't count and is invalid.

And aren't you one of those same posters who claims Povetkin is too small to be a threat of standing much of a chance at defeating boxers like Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder who are too big in size in comparison? Well, if that's the case, then for all intents and purposes, Povetkin is a natural cruiser weight who is carrying extra weight (fat). And what does it tell us about the heavyweight division that this small tiny cruiser weight in Povetkin can KO Carlos Takam whilst Takam was in his prime but Joshua with a much bigger size advantage is unable to KO the much smaller Takam that is actually past his best at an older age? Or what does it tell us about today's heavyweight division that this tiny cruiser weight in Povetkin can brutally KO Johan Duhapas unconscious in 6 rounds but the supposedly much bigger sized heavyweight in Deontay Wilder couldn't even drop this same Johan Duhapas in 11 rounds? Do you see where I'm going with this?

It could be that the version of Povetkin that fought Takam was no worse than the version of Povetkin that fought Huck or Ruslan Chagaev. Rather, it could just be that Huck and Chagaev are much better boxers than today's heavyweight contenders like Takam and Duhapas who Povetkin brutally KO'ed (according to your flawed logic).

[lolpz]

When did Ward ever 'knock on anyone's door'? Since last time I checked, he never fought a single top opponent outside of USA (his home country)?

Let us know if Ward is willing to come to Ukraine and fight Usyk who will becomes the one to dictate terms and conditions if he wins, thus being the A side boxer. Otherwise, Ward doesn't deserve to fight Usyk because he is unworthy and has to earn that worth first.

Till then, Usyk is going to be the one who is going to be knocking on Anthony Joshua's door in UK for an even bigger fight.

We both know Ward is the bigger star regardless of the belts, the clear A side. He is #1 p4p fighter in the world(Atleast he was before he "retiring.") There is way more money for that fight to be made in the U.S that's a PPV fight, 0% chance that fight happens in the Ukraine because it doesn't make sense. This is prize fighting lol.

By knocking on his door I mean moving up in weight, and fighting the guy with all the belts. Ward has already done that so I don't know what you're talking about.

How is a man who won a Super Middleweight tournament as an underdog (cleaned out the division), then moved up and beat the best Light Heavyweight in the world twice (as an underdog) and is ranked #1 P4P in the world not worthy of a fight against Oleksandr Usyk?

What does Ward have to prove exactly? What more does he have to do on top of being #1 in the world in boxing to land a fight against the Almighty ATG Mega Superstar Usyk?

[BattlingNelson]

What does Ward have to prove exactly? What more does he have to do on top of being #1 in the world in boxing to land a fight against the Almighty ATG Mega Superstar Usyk?

That he can fight away from home.
That he can beat a top fighter without crooked officiating.

[Mr Objecitivity]

We both know Ward is the bigger star regardless of the belts, the clear A side. He is #1 p4p fighter in the world(Atleast he was before he "retiring.") There is way more money for that fight to be made in the U.S that's a PPV fight, 0% chance that fight happens in the Ukraine because it doesn't make sense. This is prize fighting lol.

By knocking on his door I mean moving up in weight, and fighting the guy with all the belts. Ward has already done that so I don't know what you're talking about.

How is a man who won a Super Middleweight tournament as an underdog (cleaned out the division), then moved up and beat the best Light Heavyweight in the world twice (as an underdog) and is ranked #1 P4P in the world not worthy of a fight against Oleksandr Usyk?

What does Ward have to prove exactly? What more does he have to do on top of being #1 in the world in boxing to land a fight against the Almighty ATG Mega Superstar Usyk?

Oleksandr Usyk is probably the far greater draw GLOBALLY. And is probably a bigger draw in Ukraine than Ward is in USA as a whole. Whilst Andre Ward is mainly known in his hometown of Oakland and in a few others places in USA. I doubt Andre Ward has as many fans outside of a few Americans fans and a few fans from Oakland who happen to be die hard fans of Andre Ward that would be too willing to pay money to see him fight using his boring style. If fans do come and pay to see this fight, it'd be most likely because of Usyk and his far more crowd pleasing cleaner style.

If Usyk wins the tournament, he becomes the one who gets to dictate terms. Andre Ward isn't going to be able to just come out of the blue and challenge Usyk whenever he feels like. He has to prove himself like others in the cruiser weight division did by becoming a mandatory.

And Andre Ward's super 6 tournamnet win is nowhere near as impressive as Usyk's going to be if Usyk wins. Usyk fought on the road in his opponent's backyard whilst Ward faced every opponent in his home country. So again, that's something he could perhaps consider doing.

Also, Usyk is more likely to fight Anthony Joshua than Andre Ward since that's an even bigger money fight. Since as you correctly stated, it is 'prize fighting'.

Also, Usyk is promoted by K2 promotions so he's unlikely to be as much of a 'B side' as Sergey Kovalev was against Andre Ward. So Usyk isn't in a position where he will have to enslave himself as much as Kovalev did and cater to Ward's demands.

[lolpz]

Oleksandr Usyk is probably the far greater draw GLOBALLY. And is probably a bigger draw in Ukraine than Ward is in USA as a whole. Whilst Andre Ward is mainly known in his hometown of Oakland and in a few others places in USA. I doubt Andre Ward has as many fans outside of a few Americans fans and a few fans from Oakland who happen to be die hard fans of Andre Ward that would be too willing to pay money to see him fight using his boring style. If fans do come and pay to see this fight, it'd be most likely because of Usyk and his far more crowd pleasing cleaner style.

If Usyk wins the tournament, he becomes the one who gets to dictate terms. Andre Ward isn't going to be able to just come out of the blue and challenge Usyk whenever he feels like. He has to prove himself like others in the cruiser weight division did by becoming a mandatory.

And Andre Ward's super 6 tournamnet win is nowhere near as impressive as Usyk's going to be if Usyk wins. Usyk fought on the road in his opponent's backyard whilst Ward faced every opponent in his home country. So again, that's something he could perhaps consider doing.

Also, Usyk is more likely to fight Anthony Joshua than Andre Ward since that's an even bigger money fight. Since as you correctly stated, it is 'prize fighting'.

Also, Usyk is promoted by K2 promotions so he's unlikely to be as much of a 'B side' as Sergey Kovalev was against Andre Ward. So Usyk isn't in a position where he will have to enslave himself as much as Kovalev did and cater to Ward's demands.

Money makes the world go round "Mr. Objectivity" and Ward brings in more money then Usyk, therefore making him the bigger draw/star. He is the bigger star - yes globally too. There aren't too many global stars who can't speak a full proper sentence in the global langauge of English, no casual knows who the **** Usyk is to be frank with you that must have been a troll I highly doubt you actually lack intelligence that severely.

Everyone knows who Andre Ward is - the guy's been on national television and is talked about everywhere and was recognized by everybody as the #1 p4p fighter in the world. Maybe you live in a hole of some mountain in Chile but everyone knows who he is lol.

Ward has fought way better opposition then Usyk and has a much better resume overall making all of his wins more credible. The only arguable decision is Kovalev 1, and he proved in the second fight he is the better fighter. Many people had Breidis beating Usyk in his last fight, maybe he should run that back with him. I honestly don't know why I'm arguing who has a better resume between Ward and Usyk with somebody I must be getting trolled but moving on.

Anthony Joshua would make a lot more money fighting EITHER Wilder, Bellew, Parker, OR Ward then he would fighting Usyk. But somehow you're claiming Usyk is this big global star big draw...I can't even I'm just going to drop it at this point lol.

[Cutthroat]

Oleksandr Usyk fought Beterbiev when he was smaller in size comped to what he is now. Thus, his punch resistance was lower then as opposed to now. Oleksandr Usyk is currently a huge cruiser weight in size and can be a normal sized heavyweight. Thus, light heavyweights today aren't going to bother him much. And Kovalev isn't going to be able to hurt Usyk any more than Mairis Breidis could. Mairis Breidis is a more proven power puncher with a concussive KO victory whilst moving on the back foot against a heavyweight that outweighed him by 30 or more pounds. That's a knockout feat Kovalev has never accomplished. Thus making him less impressive as a knockout puncher and less of a threat. Pound for pound abilities is irrelevant because we are discussing a head to head match up here.

And Kovalev himself would never dare to step foot into the ring with Usyk. And for good reason too! You can go and ask him and he himself would disagree with your claims. You have greater confidence in Kovalev's abilities that Kovalev himself does of his own abilities. Which in the end is irrelevant!

And Sergey Kovalev lost just as many rounds to Isaac Chilemba as Usyk did to Michael Hunter and Kovalev also failed to stop Chilemba. So what's your point? Usyk - Hunter should've legitimately ended ina stoppage but the referee made the wrong decision to let it continue and Usyk may just have ended Hunter's career after the beat down he received. Thus, it's as good as a stoppage even if it wasn't officially.

And Kovalev took 8 rounds to stop Jean Pascal. So what's your point?

How exactly did Ward do better against Carl Froch? And pound for pound rankings are irrelevant because it's based on an American establishment that don't rank foreign fighters that don't compete out of USA often, irrespective of their quality. So Breidis might as well be as good as Kovalev. But unlike Ward, Usyk didn't get dropped by Breidis and beat him in his backyard without needing a hometown robbery to win like Ward needed in the first bout against Kovalev.

Oleksandr Usyk displayed a better performance against Breidis too than Ward did against Froch considering Usyk beat Breidis in his backyard whilst Ward fought the entire tournament at home. That alone Usyk > Ward all day long from the perspective of being an international / global boxing superstar.

As for jetlag vs broken hand. I'd rather learn how to punch properly and prevent my hands from being broken in the first place than have a jetlag since majority of Ward's hand injuries is caused by poor punch technique.

Also, having one hand injured still allows a boxer to use the other hand and their entire body properly at the very least. Whereas having a jetlag effects a boxer's entire physical body and prevents them from using it as well as they could. Thus, it could be argued that jet lag can be an even greater detriment to an athlete's performance than an injured hand but at the very least, both Usyk and Ward at were at a similar disadvantage physically.




The arguments you're using to discredit the cruiser weight division can also be used to discredit other weight divisions too you know?

So let me apply your argument to other weight divisions:

A prime Alexander Povetkin arguably lost against the best cruiser weight at the time in Marco Huck. The same Marco Huck that was destroyed by Krzystoff Glowacki and other top cruiser weights today. And the same Alexander Povetkin knocks Carlos Takam out cold. Whilst an old, washed up Carlos Takam past his best goes 10 rounds against the best heavyweight in the world today in Anthony Joshua who doesn't even come close to knocking out Takam as cleanly as Povetkin did against a better and younger Takam.

So cruiser weights are showing things at heavyweight they shouldn't if it was truly as good as you believe it is.

You can spin it anyhow you want but the fact is, Manuel Charr is the current heavyweight title holder and the top 3 cruiser weight today in Mairis Breidis knocked Charr out unconscious and more convincingly than any heavyweight did. That's a fact! So why did that happen if the heavyweight division was as good as you believe it to be!

You might argue: "Oh but Charr was already knocked out by Povetkin and lost to Duhapas before facing Breidis"

So let me address this in advance. Takam got knocked out cold by Povetkin too, almost like how Charr did. And Takam was also coming from a decision loss against Joseph Parker (along with a KO loss against Povetkin) before he faced Joshua, just as how Manuel Charr was coming off a KO loss to Povetkin and a decision loss to Johan Duahapas before he faced Breidis.

So why couldn't Joshua KO and old, washed up Carlos Takam who was much smaller than him in size more convincingly or brutally than Povetkin did? So what does that say about the heavyweight division today that a small heavyweight who could practically be a cruiser weight in Alexander Povetkin knocks out an opponent in his prime more brutally than the best heavyweight today who is much bigger in Anthony Joshua?

At least Mairis Breidis knocked Charr out unconscious, even though he was coming off a KO loss to Povetkin and a decision loss to Duhapas. And he did this with a huge size disadvantage too.

Meanwhile, Joshua failed to cleanly KO Takam who like Charr, was also coming off a KO loss to Povetkin and a decision loss to another boxer (Joseph Parker). So your excuse really doesn't count and is invalid.

And aren't you one of those same posters who claims Povetkin is too small to be a threat of standing much of a chance at defeating boxers like Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder who are too big in size in comparison? Well, if that's the case, then for all intents and purposes, Povetkin is a natural cruiser weight who is carrying extra weight (fat). And what does it tell us about the heavyweight division that this small tiny cruiser weight in Povetkin can KO Carlos Takam whilst Takam was in his prime but Joshua with a much bigger size advantage is unable to KO the much smaller Takam that is actually past his best at an older age? Or what does it tell us about today's heavyweight division that this tiny cruiser weight in Povetkin can brutally KO Johan Duhapas unconscious in 6 rounds but the supposedly much bigger sized heavyweight in Deontay Wilder couldn't even drop this same Johan Duhapas in 11 rounds? Do you see where I'm going with this?

It could be that the version of Povetkin that fought Takam was no worse than the version of Povetkin that fought Huck or Ruslan Chagaev. Rather, it could just be that Huck and Chagaev are much better boxers than today's heavyweight contenders like Takam and Duhapas who Povetkin brutally KO'ed (according to your flawed logic).

Kovalev/Froch=P4P fighters. Briedis=Nowhere near P4P

Now you want act like P4P doesn't matter because it doesn't fit your agenda.

Briedis KO'd Charr, a guy not even in the top 20 at HW and already KO'd. He couldn't even bother Perez who ate all his shots, Briedis held on for dear life that fight.

Bellew/Vlasov have KO'd cruisers in the top 10/15 of the division and are outweighed by most of their opponents 15-20lbs on fight night. Neither man is known as a huge puncher at LHW let alone one as vicious as Kovalev.

Hunter is notorious for gassing in fights which is what happened vs Usyk, Chilemba on the other hand got his ass beat. Pascal had never been stopped and he himself hovered near P4P lists as he's only lost to other P4P quality guys.



Povetkin isn't a blown up cruiser, he's got a large frame, he's a lean 226lbs of muscle with KO power.

Pre-PED's he was going to the distance with guys like Eddie Chambers, Huck, Chagev, not because they were good but because he had stamina issues.

Povetkin got busted against Stiverne AND Duhapaus with PED's, a steroid called Ostarine. Once he got off the PED's he went back to his soft body and couldn't KO his last 2 opponents. Myth busted.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Kovalev/Froch=P4P fighters. Briedis=Nowhere near P4P

Now you want act like P4P doesn't matter because it doesn't fit your agenda.

Briedis KO'd Charr, a guy not even in the top 20 at HW and already KO'd. He couldn't even bother Perez who ate all his shots, Briedis held on for dear life that fight.

Bellew/Vlasov have KO'd cruisers in the top 10/15 of the division and are outweighed by most of their opponents 15-20lbs on fight night. Neither man is known as a huge puncher at LHW let alone one as vicious as Kovalev.

Hunter is notorious for gassing in fights which is what happened vs Usyk, Chilemba on the other hand got his ass beat. Pascal had never been stopped and he himself hovered near P4P lists as he's only lost to other P4P quality guys.



Povetkin isn't a blown up cruiser, he's got a large frame, he's a lean 226lbs of muscle with KO power.

Pre-PED's he was going to the distance with guys like Eddie Chambers, Huck, Chagev, not because they were good but because he had stamina issues.

Povetkin got busted against Stiverne AND Duhapaus with PED's, a steroid called Ostarine. Once he got off the PED's he went back to his soft body and couldn't KO his last 2 opponents. Myth busted.

Pound for pound rankings are irrelevant because it's PREDOMINANTLY based on an American establishment that only ranks American boxers from USA or foreign boxers that are fighting out of USA. It's no more valuable than a Latvian or a Ukrainian establishment ranking Briedis as number 1 pound for pound.

Fact is, Brieidis is top 3 in Usyk's weight division just like Kovalev was in Ward's. Difference is, Ward struggled much more in his home country against Kovalev than Usyk did fighting on the road against the hometown boxer that is Brieidis. FACTS!

Charr is currently one of the heavyweight champions. That's a fact! Irrespective of his ranking. Don't blame me for that. Perhaps blame the 'weak heavyweight division'?

And Takam was also already KO'd cleanly by Povetkin previously but Joshua couldn't even KO the much smaller Takam at an older age. But Brieidis managed to KO the much larger Manuel Charr that was already KO'd by Povetkin. So what's your point and excuse now?

Mairis Brieidis's punching power is not as high in the cruiser weight division as it is in the heavyweight division. Hence why he failed to KO Perez but managed to KO Charr. A heavyweight Brieidis would've knocked Perez out IMO.

Bellew is a natural cruiser weight who was draining himself to make light heavyweight. No surprises he performed better at cruiser weight (and heavyweight) than he did at light heavyweight. And Brieidis knocking out Charr is just as impressive as Bellew knocking out anybody at cruiser weight. And Marco Huck arguably beating a prime Povetkin at heavyweight who himself knocked out legitimately big heavyweights at an older age like Duhapas is as impressive as anything Bellew or Vlasov have done at cruiser weight.

Michael Hunter was previously undefeated when he fought Usyk. So none of his supposed 'gassing' problems affected him in any previous bouts and if he did gas against Usyk, then it's mainly down to Usyk's work rate which he failed to keep up with = Usyk warranting more praise than Hunter deserving discrediting.

Usyk defeated Michael Hunter just as impressively as Kovalev defeated Chilemba. Hunter also 'had his ass beat' by Usyk.

And if you want to go by being unable to KO previously UN-KO'ed opponents or being unable to KO them quickly. Then Kovalev failed to stop Karen Avetisyan altogether whilst Usyk may have taken long to stop Mchunu, but he did in the end. Whilst Kovalev failed to Stop a previously stopped opponent in Avetisyan altogether.

Povetkin isn't a blown up cruiser, he's got a large frame, he's a lean 226lbs of muscle with KO power.

Pre-PED's he was going to the distance with guys like Eddie Chambers, Huck, Chagev, not because they were good but because he had stamina issues.

Povetkin got busted against Stiverne AND Duhapaus with PED's, a steroid called Ostarine. Once he got off the PED's he went back to his soft body and couldn't KO his last 2 opponents. Myth busted.

You're contradicting yourself. First you're claiming Povektin is a muscular boxer with KO power then you're claiming he has a soft / weak body. Which one is it? It can't be both!

Povetkin has been the same boxer all along. He struggled more against Chagaev (who himself is a cruiser weight sized boxer) but managed to destroy Wilder's and Joshua's common opponents like Takam and Johan Duhapas more brutally than they managed to because both are overrated and the current heavyweight division is overrated (if I use your fallacious reasoning).

Alexander Povetkin probably has less KO power than Brieidis (current cruiser weight) but still managed to KO Wilder's and Joshua's opponents more brutally than they did or opponents they failed to KO (Takam & Duhapas).

Povetkin is nowhere near as skilled as Usyk or Brieidis and has no business fighting at heavyweight due to being a tiny heavyweight midget but is still one of the top contenders at age 38 in the so called 'strong heavyweight division'. If anything, that proves how weak the heavyweight division is if I use your reasoning. And chances are, if the less versatile / more limited Povetkin compared to much better / more powerful boxers like Briedis or Usyk has that much success at heavyweight at such an old age of 38, then prime Usyk and Briedis would do even better than Povetkin at heavyweight and own most of the current heavyweights and expose the current heavyweight division as overrated (just like how Povetkin did).

[Mr Objecitivity]

Money makes the world go round "Mr. Objectivity" and Ward brings in more money then Usyk, therefore making him the bigger draw/star. He is the bigger star - yes globally too. There aren't too many global stars who can't speak a full proper sentence in the global langauge of English, no casual knows who the **** Usyk is to be frank with you that must have been a troll I highly doubt you actually lack intelligence that severely.

Everyone knows who Andre Ward is - the guy's been on national television and is talked about everywhere and was recognized by everybody as the #1 p4p fighter in the world. Maybe you live in a hole of some mountain in Chile but everyone knows who he is lol.

Ward has fought way better opposition then Usyk and has a much better resume overall making all of his wins more credible. The only arguable decision is Kovalev 1, and he proved in the second fight he is the better fighter. Many people had Breidis beating Usyk in his last fight, maybe he should run that back with him. I honestly don't know why I'm arguing who has a better resume between Ward and Usyk with somebody I must be getting trolled but moving on.

Anthony Joshua would make a lot more money fighting EITHER Wilder, Bellew, Parker, OR Ward then he would fighting Usyk. But somehow you're claiming Usyk is this big global star big draw...I can't even I'm just going to drop it at this point lol.

Andre Ward is no Roy Jones Jr, Muhammad Ali or Mike Tyson. If he is known more globally than Usyk, then he is going to be known more as a boring fighter that is a feather fist who can barely crack an egg that needs to foul to win every bout against top opponents whilst always needing hometown advantages.

And Andre Ward can barely sell seats. If he does, it's mostly because of his opponents rather than himself. Very few people outside of USA are going to be willing to pay watch Ward fight. His fan base is predominantly in Oakland and some fans from other places in USA. Even there, many find him unenjoyable / unentertaing to watch and will be unwilling to pay for his bouts. If they do, then it'd most likely be because his opponent is an entertaining boxer (like Golovkin, Kovalev or Usyk) than because they would want to see him box.

As for speaking English. Someone who competes internationally in different countries regularly > someone who speaks English and only competes in USA when it comes to being a GLOBAL superstar. Words and language is less irrelevant. Actions are more relevant. Thus, Usyk's actions internationally > Andre Ward's actions when it comes to being a global superstar. It doesn't matter that Usyk doesn't speak English too well. And English is only one language out of hundreds of languages in this world and therefore, only knowing English doesn't make one a global star and it's possible to be a global star without knowing English very well, if at all.

Ward's resume below cruiser weight is irrelevant. Ward's level of opposition below cruiser weight is irrelevant. If Ward wants to fight Usyk at cruiser weight, he needs to prove himself AT cruiser weight by beating other boxers to first become the mandatory challenger to Usyk's titles. He doesn't deserve the right to just challenge Usyk in his first bout after Usyk would've worked extremely hard to win the tournament. Ward can't just be given a privilege. Ward has to prove himself at cruiser weight first and earn himself the right to face the main champion at cruiser weight.