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Old 02-10-2020, 07:28 AM #31
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Well in that case you have to raise Jon hands.he completely controlled the ground game.As good as Jon is standing up I'm just now realizing how good his wrestling skills are.
I saw a brief round by round. From my angle, Round 3 is the problem. I didn't see Reyes win that clear, neither did I see Jones win it clear. It seemed to depend on your bias.

I wouldn't mind saying either guy won 3-2. My problem is (as always) the robbery claims. Didn't see a robbery.
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Old 02-10-2020, 07:56 AM #32
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I saw a brief round by round. From my angle, Round 3 is the problem. I didn't see Reyes win that clear, neither did I see Jones win it clear. It seemed to depend on your bias.

I wouldn't mind saying either guy won 3-2. My problem is (as always) the robbery claims. Didn't see a robbery.
I give props to were it is due and I don't care who it is that's why I said draw because you really could not choose a winner from that fight no one really stuck out
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Old 02-10-2020, 09:10 AM #33
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Thought Reyes won first 3...Jones 4 & 5.
i got reyes taking 1 and 2, 3rd round was a toss up and i got jones taking 4 and 5. i think a draw would have been more acceptable. anyways, i wouldnt mind a rematch.
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I give props to were it is due and I don't care who it is that's why I said draw because you really could not choose a winner from that fight no one really stuck out
But you COULD choose a winner.

As a judge, do you prefer pressure, strikes, walking down opponents? You gave that round to Reyes.

As a judge, do you think that Jones got caught a few times but ultimately made the adjustments necessary to take control back? You gave it to Jones.

Then there are some who get swayed when one guy shows up for 30 seconds at the beginning or end of a fight and they give it to them despite that being the only success. We see that all the time with Manny.

Then there's the "only punches matter" crowd, despite it being MIXED martial arts.

Either way, I think draw should be banned. There should always be a winner. Even if people don't like the subjectivity of who was chosen as that winner.
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Old 02-10-2020, 01:51 PM #35
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But you COULD choose a winner.

As a judge, do you prefer pressure, strikes, walking down opponents? You gave that round to Reyes.

As a judge, do you think that Jones got caught a few times but ultimately made the adjustments necessary to take control back? You gave it to Jones.

Then there are some who get swayed when one guy shows up for 30 seconds at the beginning or end of a fight and they give it to them despite that being the only success. We see that all the time with Manny.

Then there's the "only punches matter" crowd, despite it being MIXED martial arts.

Either way, I think draw should be banned. There should always be a winner. Even if people don't like the subjectivity of who was chosen as that winner.
fair enough.There are alot of folks that have that same belief but then there's others like me who believe in the draw.If two fighters who fought hard and was equally matched it should be a draw then if both fighters agree like men like warriors to settle the score they'll run it back.just choosing one just to choose just doesn't seem right to me it kinda reminds me of the flipping of the coin scenario.i can see it now the ref: Ok Jon heads u win Tails you win Reyes lol

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Old 02-10-2020, 03:46 PM #36
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fair enough.There are alot of folks that have that same belief but then there's others like me who believe in the draw.If two fighters who fought hard and was equally matched it should be a draw then if both fighters agree like men like warriors to settle the score they'll run it back.just choosing one just to choose just doesn't seem right to me it kinda reminds me of the flipping of the coin scenario.i can see it now the ref: Ok Jon heads u win Tails you win Reyes lol
Come on man, you know that's not how it goes. Bradley / Chaves, Broner / Vargas, etc....unresolved business all around.
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Old 02-11-2020, 02:51 AM #37
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Jones is Mayweather with Karate Gong Fu skills and Tyson Fury’s reach. He’d diffuse the bronze bomber via takedown/choke.
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Old 02-11-2020, 05:01 AM #38
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I think people always suspect that a judge could change an earlier close round depending on what happens in the later rounds. If a guy is dead tired and running like Reyes did in the last two, then I could see a compulsion to change say the third rnd to Jones or have it even, if u had it to Reyes at first. I’m not saying this actually happens, we couldn’t know, but I know people suspect it often. Dana saying you can’t run for the last two rounds and expect to beat Jon Jones doesn’t help this stigma though. I think Jones looked like the better man. Also when one guy is fading and the other is coming on it’s worth something in a close round maybe. We all know the “championship” rounds aren’t worth anymore points than a first round even though the announcers always make it sound like it is. The champ shouldn’t get any benefit of the doubt either, that’s corny... cause there shouldn’t be doubt... but I understand it.
The judge fills out the card for the round just ended, it would show if he went back to an earlier round, crossed it out and changed it.

It's part of the reason you see insane scores in boxing – a la CJ Ross giving rounds that 100% objectively you cannot give to a fighter. They haven't given the rounds to their favoured fighter early and need to make up that deficit for them to win, so they end up giving rounds later on that aren't close to being deserved.
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Old 02-12-2020, 02:25 AM #39
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”Because for a fight to take place offense must be initiated. Otherwise, it would be a 2-man game of tag where neither man is "It". Pointless.

I had Reyes, btw, but I've always understood why octagon control is awarded consideration, and often decides very close fights when there is little else. Running isn't fighting. You must attack.

Seen a poster in the sherdog mma forum post this and I thought, damn, that’s so true.

Running isn’t fighting, you must engage. You can’t just land 2/2 jabs a round and runs and hug and be the champion. What a load of horse poo that is.
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Old 02-12-2020, 06:58 PM #40
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Exactly, easy fight to score. 1-3 was all Reyes and 4 and 5 was Jones. Hell, you could even argue that round 4 was close.
Reyes won the 1st half of the 4th too. It was a robbery but it was pre-written. In the 5th rd the announcers started changing their tones and reaching with strike stat numbers.
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