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Old 08-05-2018, 10:27 AM #11
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this wouldn't be a problem if everyone wasn't on that floyd mayweather, "protecting my 0" bs.
At least Floyd fought a lot of good opponents. Nobody can say his route early in his career was easy. He was willing to put it all on the line v the likes of Corrales.

The problem with young fighters now is that they want it all for nothing. Too happy to protect their 0 without risk and then play the diva role and promoters are too happy to facilitate that attitude too.

To be a true A-side, unless you have some serious fanbase from early on, you really need to earn it by getting in and beating good fighters on the way up, as the likes of Manny and Floyd did. That's why promoters need to start just making fights and then they will build real stars if the fighters are good enough to prove themselves.

I think fans are a problem too. Too many fans are willing to call someone a bum if they lose a fight, so fighters and promoters are scared to lose. In reality, it shouldn't be a big deal. If you lose to another good fighter, so what? That's sport. you can come again.
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Old 08-05-2018, 10:33 AM #12
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Definitely a case of marination gone wrong

Another death blow to HBO , 175 was one of the only Divisions they had any clout in and Kov/Bivol was basically their only fight after Canelo /GGG that was somewhat decent
death blow not really. Lol this whole demise of hbo is hilarious! Hbo draws better number with their unknown little guys on superfly than showtime with their best know guys.
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Old 08-05-2018, 10:39 AM #13
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Floyd never "protected his 0," though.

Part of what makes him special is that he fought pretty much everyone and still managed to keep it.
he totally did though such as not fighting cotto or pacquiao when they were at their best or had come off losses. he also never fought margarito who was the ultimate pressure fighter and that troubled froid like castillo and maidana did. Those are facts.
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Old 08-05-2018, 10:46 AM #14
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he totally did though such as not fighting cotto or pacquiao when they were at their best or had come off losses. he also never fought margarito who was the ultimate pressure fighter and that troubled froid like castillo and maidana did. Those are facts.
Arum deliberately kept Cotto away from Floyd when they were both with Top Rank.

Floyd agreed to a 50/50 purse split to fight Pacquiao in 2009. It wasn't him who walked away because of a little drug testing.

Floyd made more money for fighting Baldomir and breaking away from Top Rank than he would have made for fighting Margarito and resigning with Top Rank.

Just some facts for you.

Let's not make every freaking thread about Floyd Mayweather, though, shall we?
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Old 08-05-2018, 10:47 AM #15
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Floyd never "protected his 0," though.

Part of what makes him special is that he fought pretty much everyone and still managed to keep it.
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Old 08-05-2018, 10:52 AM #16
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Arum deliberately kept Cotto away from Floyd when they were both with Top Rank.

Floyd agreed to a 50/50 purse split to fight Pacquiao in 2009. It wasn't him who walked away because of a little drug testing.

Floyd made more money for fighting Baldomir and breaking away from Top Rank than he would have made for fighting Margarito and resigning with Top Rank.

Just some facts for you.

Let's not make every freaking thread about Floyd Mayweather, though, shall we?
pretty sure he said at their best. 147 cotto he wanted no part of and "retired" that was when he was at his best and a huge star. floyd made excuses like he cant work with top rank(obviously a lie as he fought pac later) arum kept cotto away from floyd till cotto hit his prime then floyd kept himself away!

when pac accepted all floyds demands he turned and ran like a coward changing the money from 50-50 to something more like 90-10 yet you pretend he wanted the fight because pac didn't call his bluff earlier? you have to actually look at everything and not just one thing that you think confirms your bias. the world didn't end in 2009. we know what happened. floyd didnt fight.

he actually took less money to fight baldomir after the payout to top rank(simple math) but he also took less money to fight judah and mitchell instead of margarito. once again look at everything not just one moment in time that you think proves floyd wanted to fight. so many opportunities lost over and over and thats how you end up with his resume. its no accident he "missed" everyone.

just look at his resume. not good. old past it fighters, slow guys, weight advantages, etc..

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Old 08-05-2018, 10:52 AM #17
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Arum deliberately kept Cotto away from Floyd when they were both with Top Rank.

Floyd agreed to a 50/50 purse split to fight Pacquiao in 2009. It wasn't him who walked away because of a little drug testing.

Floyd made more money for fighting Baldomir and breaking away from Top Rank than he would have made for fighting Margarito and resigning with Top Rank.

Just some facts for you.

Let's not make every freaking thread about Floyd Mayweather, though, shall we?
I'm not buying your talking points you got straight from your idol. Excuses! froid simply didn't want those fights at the time. Too risky so he faked retired when the welterweight division was at it's best! too bad we never got those match ups in their prime and I blame mayweather jr for that not happening.
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I disagree. This fight needed marination because Bivol was an unknown with very little pro experience. He only had a belt because Ward and Jack simultaneously vacated theirs. Even in the build up to last night Bivol was unsure if he was ready for Kovalev from his quotes in interviews.


Sure it didn't work out because it turned out that Kovalev didn't have much left in the tank but I don't think this fight would have been very significant had it happened in early 2018.
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as a promoter yes it would have been better if bivol had beat kovalev but kovalev and alvarez were both top 5 guys and fought each other so you can't really complain much. this wasn't a floyd staying away from someone until they were past it kind of thing. it was a lets fight someone better while waiting instead of someone worse floyd style. like when floyd waited for cotto to reach his prime at 147 they should have fought...but they didnt cause floyd was too scared and made excuses nonstop. oh but he tried to fight cotto before cotto was good so its ok to duck prime cotto!!! he didn't protect his 0 doe!

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Kovalev-Bivol should have happened.

But promoters have this irksome tendency to make the fans wait for even half decent fights. They have to be artificially "built up" by doing showcase fights first against lesser opponents.

So I'm glad when that strategy blows up in their face like what happened last night.
Duva did all of us a disservice by agreeing to drop kov out of the mando position when that would’ve forced the Stevenson fight after he went to sho this stopping the initial fight from happening. Then she stalled the Bivol fight and put kov in with Alvarez thinking it would be an easy go.

I’m glad this backfired on her.
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