Bellew has more than solidified his place over Calzaghe

[Squ□redCircle34]

Common sense isn't that common anymore

Hopkins' best win at 175 was a competitive bout vs Shumenov, Bellew is much better than Shumenov and Murat who was putting leather on Hopkins too.

Kessler has 1 controversial win vs Froch, and clearly lost in the rematch. Kessler's resume is WEAK, how can you even believe his resume compares to what Bellew has done?

So you have a montage of Andre Ward and yet crap on one of his best wins, best wins!

Nice one!

[DreamFighter]

Fought the "next Mike Tyson"..........utterly destroyed him.

Fights the man that everyone pegged to really dismantle him at SMW, Kessler, and takes his 0.

Flies across the pond to move up in weight and beat two boxing legends at LHW in back to back fights before retiring undefeated.

Joe took all the risks he needed to take to retire with honor, coke nosed or not. The guy was always doubted regardless of who he fought, yet he emerged a winner in the end. If anything, the guy is one of the most underrated boxers in the past 20 years.

needing to write all that fakery to argue hes better than Bellew actually makes joe look comically bad, dude.

Obviously joe s better than transient titleholder Bellew, an opportunity titlist just like Lacy. But he remains below Ward and Froch in the SMW pantheon.

[Cutthroat]

a) That's only 1 small part of my argument and Calzaghe's overall body of work.
b) Caveats or not, Eubank>>>Haye. It doesn't matter when Eubank fought, he was always tough, durable and solid... and was clearly still in great condition/shape. Haye isn't.... and hasn't ever been (tough, durable and solid). Prime for prime Eubank is streets ahead of Haye.... and non-prime for non-prime Eubank is still streets ahead of Haye. Haye can't get through a fight without either his body breaking down, or his chin cracking.... he isn't durable.
c) Even if one was to concede that this win is somehow better than the Eubank win... Calzaghe's body of work is still far greater than Bellew's.... I like Bellew... I was backing him all the way in both fights with Haye.... but you're deluded..... Bellew has 1 world title that was a vacant belt won by beating a nobody.... and a couple of wins over an old (and always overrated) Haye.
Calzaghe's wins over Kessler and Hopkins are way beyond anything that Bellew can lay claim to (and he would admit that himself).... plus wins over (also an overrated) Lacy.... Woodhall etc.... and it's not even close.
Surely the fact nobody agrees with you and thinks you're actually delusional.... should probably show you that you're someway off of the mark with this one.

Eubank took the fight on 2 weeks notice, dropped 19lbs in that period. But you think he's better than Haye? Yeah, I'm the deluded one. Haye is in MUCH better shape than an old Eubank. You cannot lose 19lbs in 2 weeks and be fully healthy.

Do you think Calzaghe could beat Haye?

Hopkins was a career MW, not LHW. His resume past 160 is VERY weak, 2 close fights with Pascal, 1 close fight with Shumenov, blasted out 2x by Smith/Kovalev.

Kessler's resume was also very weak, 1 close win over Froch that's it dude. After that you're looking at wins like Mundine.

Bellew has wins over Cleverly, Chilemba, Makabu, Haye 2x, his resume is much stronger than Calzaghe's. Calzaghe's resume is loaded with C level guys.

[Cutthroat]

So you have a montage of Andre Ward and yet crap on one of his best wins, best wins!

Nice one!

Kovalev is his best win. Froch got schooled by Ward with a broken hand and Ward completely dismantled Kessler as a HUGE under dog, at a mere 25 years of age.

The levels are Ward-Kovalev then it's.....







Froch, Kessler, Hopkins, Pascal, Calzaghe, everybody else. Ward separated himself from this group.

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Calzaghe would annihilate Bellew at 175.

Based on what? His ONLY 2 bouts at 175 he got dropped by an old Hopkins & RJJ, neither man have Bellew's power.

Hopkins himself was struggling at 175, same with Pascal who was about on Hopkins' level. Ward was struggling too, these are 3 different examples, Ward being the best by far out of all 3.

[Jubei]

C minus troll thread. Try harder next time.

[Cutthroat]

Kessler-1, just ONE controversial win over Froch, later beaten convincingly in the rematch. Schooled by a 25 year old Ward too. 2nd best win Anthony Mundine.

Hopkins-Career MW. Resume past 160 very weak, close bout with Shumenov, draw/close win with JP, win over Cloud (who hasn't beaten Cloud's ass?), annihilated by Kov/Smith, lost to Dawson too.

Eubank, took the fight on 2 weeks notice, on the verge of retirement, dropped 19lbs in 2 weeks, and would go on to lose 2x & retire.


ATG resume. Some how better than wins than Cleverly/Chilemba at 175, then moving up 20lbs to cruiser with wins over Flores, Makabu, Masternak, then going up to HW to beat Haye 2x.

[craigus1990]

Eubank took the fight on 2 weeks notice, dropped 19lbs in that period. But you think he's better than Haye? Yeah, I'm the deluded one. Haye is in MUCH better shape than an old Eubank. You cannot lose 19lbs in 2 weeks and be fully healthy.

Do you think Calzaghe could beat Haye?

Hopkins was a career MW, not LHW. His resume past 160 is VERY weak, 2 close fights with Pascal, 1 close fight with Shumenov, blasted out 2x by Smith/Kovalev.

Kessler's resume was also very weak, 1 close win over Froch that's it dude. After that you're looking at wins like Mundine.

Bellew has wins over Cleverly, Chilemba, Makabu, Haye 2x, his resume is much stronger than Calzaghe's. Calzaghe's resume is loaded with C level guys.

Yes, that version of Eubank is better than this version of Haye..... do you know how we can tell? Watching them fight.... Eubank took serious leather in that fight and went twelve hard rounds.... Haye couldn't last 3 rounds without getting dropped on his ass.... that tells you everything you need to know.... you can spew all the caveats about notice and weight that you want.... but the proof is in the acid test... and Haye looked like ****... and Eubank didn't.... Eubank was strong, durable and had stamina for days.... Haye didn't.

Do I think Calzaghe can beat Haye...? Huh? What's that got to do with judging a resume...? I don't think Calzaghe could beat Wilder, but does that mean Wilder>>>Calzaghe? If that's the level of logic that your brain operates at... there's not point in a discussion.

Yes, Hopkins was a career middleweight... but his resume was not 'VERY WEAK' at LHW.... and it doesn't matter anyway... because we only need to judge it relative to the wins on Bellew's record.... and Hopkins is miles better than anyone on Bellew's record.... miles and miles and miles and miles and miles.

Kessler again.... didn't have a weak resume... was an absolute beast in his prime.... and yeah, he might not be ATG material... but he was still a very solid champion, who only lost to the very best. Prime Kessler>>>Haye.

And yeah, Bellew has wins over those guys.... and literally not one of them is good... Chilemba is average as **** and has a terrible resume.... same with Cleverly.... terrible record with 1 good win against Bellew himself.... and Makabu doesn't have 1 good win.... he is a nobody... why are you citing that as a good opponent? It makes zero sense.

Bellew's best win BY FAR is Haye..... and as established.... Haye is overrated and old. Haye has an awful resume.... an old Mormeck.... Enzo Mac (laughable).... and Valuev.... those are his best wins. Wow... that makes for stark reading.

Again... my point with Eubank being greater than or equal to the Haye win, isn't saying Calzaghe's best win = Bellew's best win.... so even if you say Haye>>>Eubank or Haye=Eubank (which is debatable).... you're literally only saying Bellew's best win is slightly better than or equal to Calzaghe's 3rd or 4th or so best win.

Calzaghe's best wins - Hopkins, Kessler, Lacy, Eubank, Woodhall, Reid, Bika, Veit, Mitchell, Brewer.
Bellew's best wins - Haye.... urmmmm.... injured Haye..... errrrmmm.... Makabu (might as well be called Makab-who).... and maybe Cleverly. Wow.... what a resume.

So, you can give all the caveats in the world.... but that resume isn't even close.... at least 2 or 3 of Calzaghe's wins, are better than Bellew's best ever win.... and then Calzaghe has 4 or 5 solid champs/former champs on his record. Bellew has 1 win over a 37 year old former Cruiserweight champion that hadn't fought a legit fight in 7 years or so... and then Cleverly.... those are the only champs he fought and beat.... and neither were champions at the time.

Bellew has not beaten 1 current world champion.... not 1.

Also - you're saying 'Bellew has solidified his place above Calzaghe'.... well guess what.... that is up to the boxing public/media.... and judging by the overwhelming response you're getting on here (with at least 95% of people calling you an idiot, clown, troll, etc...) the boxing public don't agree.

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Calzaghe would annihilate Bellew at 175.

thats too far, calzaghe struggled and almost got koed in 1 with a shot 40 yr old LHW and life n death with a 40something but still good one.

Bellew would be a solid match for him, its no suprise Calzaghe picked them two oldies and ran from any prime matchup at 175, he knew his chin wasnt good enough at that weight. He was better in the shallower SMW division of the 90s, with that WBO title that was barely known by the world let alone wanted by anyone.

[TheBigLug]

No way haha

That said, I’ve always felt Bellew is a bit underrated. His loss to Stevenson was partly down to him being a skeleton at the weight and in the Cleverly 1 fight, it was probably a little too soon for Bellew and plenty of people had him winning.

So his 1 clear loss is against a very good and dangerous fighter while he was severely drained.