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***wladimir klitschko's long, hard, stiff, accurate, penetrating jab***
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Originally posted by cupocity303 View PostYou talk about Wlad fighting bums and never having fought a prime Tyson, Ali yet you're ignoring the fact that neither one of them fought anything close to a Wlad or Vitali - a complete package of 6'7 with a great jab.
Originally posted by cupocity303 View PostYou talk about them not being able to handle pressure of a Tyson, yet ignore the fact that if Bully Iron Mike isn't able to intimidate a fighter and get him out within the first half of the fight, he too fades....but again that doesn't count because he was already past his prime point in 1990 vs Douglas.
Originally posted by cupocity303 View PostIn conclusion, you're historically biased and have this ideological idea that the past fighters have something that todays fighters don't, which is not true.
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Originally posted by BrooklynBomber View PostI am sorry, but Frazier's 5foot9 ass would not have a prayer against either Klitschko. Not to take anything from him, as I think he would beat any current cruiserweight bar few, but with heavies? It's a different story. Frazier's main weapon is the one punch its practically impossible to hit Wlad with, left hook is what wlad would always see. Right overhands are also incredibly hard to land on him. His only real hole for a counter punch is for a pin point straight left. And if you noticed for the last 4 years or so Wlad is practically untouchable in the center of the ring, his real safety off zones are when he is near the ropes or his opponent is near the ropes, as Wlad sometimes hangs in the air after he throws the right hand.
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There were quite a few fighters that were not afraid of Tyson when he was good. Trevor Berbick is a good example.
berbick was ****ting himself against mike
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Originally posted by RossCA View PostWhat good is that great jab and reach advantage against Tyson's power and high output which would certainly tire a fighter like Wlad within 6 rounds? Tyson beat's these guys on paper all the way. Wlad has been KO'd by lesser fighters,
So has Tyson. Moot point.
That whole bully thing was complete nonsense. Haters made that crap up because it sounds good. There were quite a few fighters that were not afraid of Tyson when he was good. Trevor Berbick is a good example. Wlad doesn't have the balls to beat a Tyson, another reason out of many why he loses, and you know it. Look how scared he fought Sultan Ibrogumav (SP?). You are being owned seriously in this thread.
Self-Proclaiming ownage over somebody in a debate is childish and weak.
The reason Wlad fought Sultan the way he did was because that's his style, and Ibragimov just hung in there to the end unlike others. So credit to him, not a knock on Wlad.
He Ko'd Samuel Peter and Eddie Chambers, two guys who are almost KO proof.
As far as the rest of your post, more rinse and repeat nonsense. Mike Tyson is more of a front runner and fades quicker than either Klitschko. His best prime days were in the early 80's when he fought scrubs and pushovers, so that isn't telling us much.
Wlad Klitschko >>> Trevor Berbick & Michael Spinks which are Mikes two best wins, not counting the victory over Fat, out of shape Larry Holmes.
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