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Old 08-02-2018, 07:17 PM #51
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we aren't talking about the countries they're fleeing from. if illegals were allowed to vote in this country would they vote conservative? does the latino vote vote conservative?
Plenty do. You just assume that most Latinos are on welfare. Reality is I work and immigrant Latinos are picking the fields. They come here to work not ask for welfare. When was the last u seen a white man cut grass. Hell im Latino and donít even cut my grass. A Latino immigrant cuts mine.
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They are asking for the exact same policies!!
Venezuela's system is more then just free healthcare and college. When will you understand that we'd only incorporate certain aspects of spooky Socialism

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A bunch of freebies, government mandates and controls, saying 'the rich' can pay for it, and on and on.
We'd all still be contributing, not just the rich.

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Dont try and distance yourself from yet another in a long line of failed socialist countries.
What long list? You keep bringing up only Venezuela

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Face it, this crap never works. It is what it is.
Norway, Sweden

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If Bernie gave a ****, he'd put his money where his mouth is by donating some of his wealth to the poor.
He does pay his fair share of taxes and is fighting for those poor people you mentioned.

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$200k Audi super car, all while claiming to be a champion of the poor.
Oh gawd, if you're going by a picture of a guy in sports car that looks like Bernie then I don't even know why I bother wasting time responding to you. Sorry to burst your bubble but that wasn't Bernie. FYI Bernie's paid income ranks him in the bottom one-fifth of the 100-member chamber.

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You grubers may buy his schtick, but I sure am not.
You really need to retire that "gruber" word, its old and played out like the Venezuela argument.
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As for that cost savings, you're again showing Gruber was correct in calling you guys "stupid".
Numbers don't lie, they're out there, research them
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Remember the $2500/yr savings we was promised with Obamacare?
Yeah, how did that work out?
Why are you bringing up something that has zero to do with what we are talking about? Obamacare isn't single payer.

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You believe those guys who call you "stupid" if you want, but I've learned they are either liars, idiots, or both.
I do my own research, I don't listen to nobody without doing it.

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Old 08-02-2018, 08:25 PM #53
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Venezuela's system is more then just free healthcare and college. When will you understand that we'd only incorporate certain aspects of spooky Socialism
The point is this gal is calling for more aspects of it.

Please keep up.

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We'd all still be contributing, not just the rich.
Not the 40-some percent not paying taxes.

And the rich pay the lion's share of taxes already.

Again, you're not keeping up on the facts.

You want to argue? Fine, but keep up instead of just using talking points and attrition tactics.

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What long list? You keep bringing up only Venezuela
Because it's the current example.

But we've seen the USSR, the Eastern Bloc, Vietnam, China, Cuba, and North Korea have had/have failed socialist economies.

Three points so far, and three times I'm having to catch you up on the facts.

Up your game if you must argue with me on every damn point.


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Norway, Sweden
Talking point.

Try again.

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He does pay his fair share of taxes and is fighting for those poor people you mentioned.
Non sequitur.

Try again, this time addressing my point please.

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Oh gawd, if you're going by a picture of a guy in sports car that looks like Bernie then I don't even know why I bother wasting time responding to you. Sorry to burst your bubble but that wasn't Bernie. FYI Bernie's paid income ranks him in the bottom one-fifth of the 100-member chamber.
The car has been documented as his.

Again you're not keeping up.

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You really need to retire that "gruber" word, its old and played out like the Venezuela argument.
As long as you defend the party calling you stupid, I'll keep pointing it out.

If you dont like it, quit defending and parroting those who mocked you for being stupid.

If a party called me stupid, I'd not vote for them again. And I surely not defend them, and attack those who pointed out their insulting of me.

I must ask, why do you defend a party on record calling you "stupid" and admitting they lied to you?

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Numbers don't lie, they're out there, research them
I obviously have, as I'm the one having to teach you of the failures of socialism, among other things.

Take your own advice.

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Why are you bringing up something that has zero to do with what we are talking about? Obamacare isn't single payer.
Didn't say it was.

My point was they lied to you on Obamacare, so why do you believe them on single payer?

It's a valid question....

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I do my own research, I don't listen to nobody without doing it.
Your posts, namely the ones where you parrot Team D talking points says otherwise.

Remember, I'm having to teach you a lot of basics here.

So you either ain't done research, or you've went to the ones calling you stupid for your resesrch.

It's cool, I dont mind teaching you what once had to be taught me.

Bottom line, socialism has failed everywhere it's been tried. Why try it here???

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The European countries grubers keep citing as socialist successes are saying they aren't socialist. Lol

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The European countries grubers keep citing as socialist successes are saying they aren't socialist. Lol

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The personal income tax rate in Sweden is over 61%. That's how everyone gets "free" healthcare and other handouts.
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The point is this gal is calling for more aspects of it.
OK? Still not a Venezuela system.
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Not the 40-some percent not paying taxes.

And the rich pay the lion's share of taxes already.
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Again, you're not keeping up on the facts.
What facts? I've been up to date.

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But we've seen the USSR, the Eastern Bloc, Vietnam, China, Cuba, and North Korea have had/have failed socialist economies.
Thirty two of the thirty three developed nations have universal health care, with the United States being the lone exception

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The car has been documented as his.
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As long as you defend the party calling you stupid, I'll keep pointing it out.

If you dont like it, quit defending and parroting those who mocked you for being stupid.

I must ask, why do you defend a party on record calling you "stupid" and admitting they lied to you?
I've mentioned this to you before, I'm not a democrat, write it on a postage note to remember.

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I obviously have, as I'm the one having to teach you of the failures of socialism, among other things.
You're not teaching me anything. You give me nothing but opinion while I'm giving you facts with numbers. You were trying to debate me about the Iran deal thinking the money Obama gave them was from our tax dollars.
Nuff said.
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My point was they lied to you on Obamacare, so why do you believe them on single payer?

It's a valid question....
Because I'm looking at the numbers and the need. We can look at single payer systems running in other countries and see whats working and what isn't, we can then build a system that works. Hell, even Trump was for single payer till he realized that all the the republicans were against it at the debate.


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So you either ain't done research, or you've went to the ones calling you stupid for your resesrch.
I've put out studies and numbers, I've done my research. People like you just say "look at Venezuela"
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Isn't this the woman that owes heaps of money for student loans, credit cards etc?

Like around $100k in student loans? Or did I confuse her with some other financially irresponsible politician?
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OK? Still not a Venezuela system.
Don't play Gotcha! with me.

It's VERY similar. Similar enough it'll get the same failed results.

An the ones of us who aren't fooled by people who call us "stupid" will fight against that happening to our country.

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What facts? I've been up to date.
If you have to ask, you aint keeping up.
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Thirty two of the thirty three developed nations have universal health care, with the United States being the lone exception
And look at their GDP, tax rates, defense spending, demographics, etc and compare it to ours.

We're #1 in terms of GDP, and they are not, for certain reasons ya know.

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Sources please
It's a minor point and you're delving into minutiae to obfuscate, but I'll do it if I get something for doing it.
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What happens when I source it?

And make it worth my while.
(You're already using attrition tactics, which annoys me...)

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I've mentioned this to you before, I'm not a democrat, write it on a postage note to remember.
Anyone, including yourself, who parrots DNC talking points to the letter is a Democrat.

Don't blindly parrot nonsense a group says if you don't want to be called a part of it.

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You're not teaching me anything.
Then you are more stupid than your party called you.

The lessons are easy, to those with room temp IQs

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You give me nothing but opinion while I'm giving you facts with numbers. You were trying to debate me about the Iran deal thinking the money Obama gave them was from our tax dollars.
Nuff said.
You have that backwards, and you're obfuscating by nonsense source requests (as seen earlier).

And don't use a non sequitur, that being the Iran deal, to get snarky with me. Stay on point.

That points to Dunning-Kruger effect on your end. That's really not good.

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Because I'm looking at the numbers and the need.
No wonder I cant teach you. You don't understand the concept of relevant data and basic logic.

Again, if they lied to you on the costs of Obamacare, why in the world would you be stupid (or gullible if you prefer) enough to believe them on the costs of single payer???

I want an answer to that one. Quickly, please.

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Hell, even Trump was for single payer till he realized that all the the republicans were against it at the debate.
LMFAO!!!!

You're having a "bad night" just as Rand did when he (and not the other Reps) made that false charge.

Dude, you gotta keep up here.


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I've put out studies and numbers, I've done my research. People like you just say "look at Venezuela"
No, you've put out opinions and talking points.

And I cited several other countries.

Again, keep the hell up here.

I don't know if you're being obtuse, obfuscating, in denial, or suffering from Dunning-Kruger (or a combination of the above), but please keep up.

Only address what I say, and don't bog the discourse down with nonsense.


I've had to ask a few questions over and over.
Please go back, read them again, and give me some answers. I need to know where you're coming from, hence me asking them.

If you need them repeated, ask. But do it nicely, and don't obfuscate and then do it.
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I think he'd refrain from showing outward support and endorsing her. They have common ground in terms of wanting to help dems take control of congress and the white house but I don't think they share ideology.
In think they share ideology. It boils down how we define ideology. I think I define it more broadly than yiu might. No biggie.
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Yes, the Top 1% pays nearly 1/2 of the Federal Income Taxes.

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You missed the part about the loop holes and Trump giving even more tax breaks.

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We're #1 in terms of GDP, and they are not, for certain reasons ya know.
Nobody's arguing that we aren't, we're talking about healthcare.
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What happens when I source it?

And make it worth my while.
(You're already using attrition tactics, which annoys me...)
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Anyone, including yourself, who parrots DNC talking points to the letter is a Democrat.

Don't blindly parrot nonsense a group says if you don't want to be called a part of it.
No, democrats actually don't like what Bernie stands for, they're all corporate dems looking out for they're donors. Don't associate me with these fools.

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You have that backwards, and you're obfuscating by nonsense source requests (as seen earlier).

And don't use a non sequitur, that being the Iran deal, to get snarky with me. Stay on point.

That points to Dunning-Kruger effect on your end. That's really not good.
That was on point. You're telling me to "keep up" but you have a passed history of not keeping up, hence the Iran point.

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Again, if they lied to you on the costs of Obamacare, why in the world would you be stupid (or gullible if you prefer) enough to believe them on the costs of single payer???

I want an answer to that one. Quickly, please.
Because Bernie isn't a corporate Democrat.


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No, you've put out opinions and talking points.
Obviously you're not paying attention.

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LMFAO!!!!

You're having a "bad night" just as Rand did when he (and not the other Reps) made that false charge.

Dude, you gotta keep up here.
He literally described a single payer/universal system. Keep up.

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