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  • #31
    Originally posted by DreamFighter View Post
    canelo fought him.

    so you think all these people didnt want him... or was it just him?
    theres a time when you gotta call Occams razor on numerous facts rather than see the opposite of what they dictate, that GGG didnt want high risk fights so didnt take any of these. So far hes taken one major high risk like the ones you listed, in a 11 year career.

    Meanwhile almost all the other people you listed took several major high risk fights.

    you know? thats not even the real answer. I dont think GGG is a ducker, hes just only come to the forefront late in his career in 2014 onwards, thats why his career took off after that.
    Did Cotto pay money to GGG for not fighting him?
    Yes or no?
    Martinez lost by all accounts to Murray, where the judges were watching a different fight.
    When should he have fought Quillin? After he got destroyed by Jacobs?
    Andy Lee and GGG fought in amateurs.
    Eubank forgot his pen.
    Canelo vacated.

    These are all facts.

    And you can't use occam's razors to disavow facts. You use occam's razor in combination with the facts, and the facts support that fighters would rather not fight GGG and that is the most simple conclusion based on the available facts.

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    • #32
      while hes a pretty good fighter, his resume is really nothing to brag about. its simply not good, Jacobs is a decent win but not on the level some make it. I thought he beat canelo but he didn't really do much. other than that he has a few average to decent wins. its NOT a good resume but its not the worst. this myth that nobody will fight him can no longer be used. hes at the end of his career.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by MDPopescu
        ... Martinez didn't want him... Cotto didn't want him... Quillin and Lee didn't want him... BJS didn't want him... Canelo didn't want him (and handed him the WBC belt)... only "regular" WBA Jacobs wanted it...

        (edit: Eubank Jr didn't want him as well...)
        Originally posted by DreamFighter View Post
        1canelo fought him.

        2 so you think all these people didnt want him... or was it just him?
        theres a time when you gotta call Occams razor on numerous facts rather than see the opposite of what they dictate, that GGG didnt want high risk fights so didnt take any of these. So far hes taken one major high risk like the ones you listed, in a 11 year career.

        Meanwhile almost all the other people you listed took several major high risk fights.

        you know? thats not even the real answer. I dont think GGG is a ducker, hes just only come to the forefront late in his career in 2014 onwards, thats why his career took off after that.
        1)... Didn't Canelo handed GGG the WBC belt rather than fighting him back in May 2016???
        ... and do you take that "ballet fight" in Sep 2017 as an "actual fight"? that turned to be only a "bait" for a rematch which is supposed to happen after another year now -- when GGG is even older...

        2) as about the "others": Martinez simply said "no thanks"... Chavez Jr. left TopRank and HBO, Froch simply retired... Cotto paid him "step aside" money... Quillin and Lee rode into the sunset... BJS only accepted an Aug 2018 fight (please don't tell me now that GGG ducked him in order to take the canelo rematch)...

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        • #34
          Originally posted by DreamFighter View Post
          hes just only come to the forefront late in his career in 2014 onwards, thats why his career took off after that. Since then hes fought a decent roster.
          You can only fight those willing to get in the ring with you. It's no coincidence that he's only gotten the higher visibility fights since his first PPV while his career is now winding down.

          Verifiable offers to 13 current/former/future world champs with a combined record of 436W-24L that were turned down & never stepped in the ring against GGG.

          Early in his career he didn't bring much money to the table so current champs chose the easier route, now things have changed since the payday is much greater, so we get the better tests in the ring.

          Take a look at who the fighters chose to fight rather than him. Virtually every one of them picked easier opponents for less money, many passed up on career high paydays. Golovkin has also offered great splits to entice them otherwise he'd still be looking for those better match-ups for us all to grade his accomplishments.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by S7V7N View Post
            Take a look at who the fighters chose to fight rather than him. Virtually every one of them picked easier opponents for less money, many passed up on career high paydays.
            funny you say that, in every case GGG fougth an easier opponent too, so...

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            • #36
              Originally posted by MDPopescu View Post
              1)... Didn't Canelo handed GGG the WBC belt rather than fighting him back in May 2016???
              ... and do you take that "ballet fight" in Sep 2017
              he got in the ring with him end of story. saying canelo didnt fight him is the argument of an idiot, but support it if you must.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by stealthradon View Post
                Did Cotto pay money to GGG for not fighting him?
                Yes or no?
                Martinez lost by all accounts to Murray, where the judges were watching a different fight.
                When should he have fought Quillin? After he got destroyed by Jacobs?
                Andy Lee and GGG fought in amateurs.
                Eubank forgot his pen.
                Canelo vacated.

                These are all facts.

                And you can't use occam's razors to disavow facts. You use occam's razor in combination with the facts, and the facts support that fighters would rather not fight GGG and that is the most simple conclusion based on the available facts.
                thats exactly what I said but you cant see it. you dress it up the way you want it instead.

                now what I say fits the fatcs - GGG only became a title level opponent from geale onwards, and his resume from then on is good, and doesnt require "ducking" to explain it in any way.
                Last edited by DreamFighter; 06-16-2018, 05:31 PM.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by stealthradon View Post
                  If you have all the belts, it's really hard to face champions, isn't it?
                  I like Mikey now but you pretty much owned his azz with this post

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by DreamFighter View Post
                    funny you say that, in every case GGG fougth an easier opponent too, so...
                    Don't you understand the difference between who opponents chose & Golovkin forced to settle? Please give examples of willing opponents who Golvokin was supposed to fight in these circumstances.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by stealthradon View Post
                      If you have all the belts, it's really hard to face champions, isn't it?
                      Lmao it's literally impossible. Some people gonna blame champion for not fighting champions when there is no one to fight.

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