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Searching in your posts will not yield it because it was in February/March and you can only find your last 500 posts.
You did write it once in ESB and once here , and judging by the Toney fight it was almost totally true , so I did not argue about it , all my problem was yours and almost everyone else' underrating of Jirov.
If you're trying to say Jirov was a brawler based on the Toney or any other fight you're 100% wrong. I've watched Jirovs entire career and was ringside for the Toney fight. He was NEVER a fighter to just wade in and try to blow opponents out. He was always a pressure fighter who broke his opponent down with vicious body work. If you don't understand the difference I feel sorry for you even trying to make this argument.
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Though I'm not much of a fan,I can't agree with Perell Whitaker being a "safety first , avoid fight at all cost" type of fighter - he was alot more than that.

He was generally a very offense-minded fighter that worked off of a very consistent jab and used plenty of body punching at close quarters.Even when he shut down his opponents and reduced them to nothing more than a frustrated target,his workrate was always high and he used just about every punch in the book.
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Though I'm not much of a fan,I can't agree with Perell Whitaker being a "safety first , avoid fight at all cost" type of fighter - he was alot more than that.

He was generally a very offense-minded fighter that worked off of a very consistent jab and used plenty of body punching at close quarters.Even when he shut down his opponents and reduced them to nothing more than a frustrated target,his workrate was always high and he used just about every punch in the book.
I watched both of his Jose Luis Lopez fights and I can say he rightfully lost the first one for doing nothing but running for his life and in the second he did a little more , but lets say he was less aggressive than the minimum of Chris Byrd , John Ruiz and Montell Griffin , whatever you choose it to be.
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If you're trying to say Jirov was a brawler based on the Toney or any other fight you're 100% wrong. I've watched Jirovs entire career and was ringside for the Toney fight. He was NEVER a fighter to just wade in and try to blow opponents out. He was always a pressure fighter who broke his opponent down with vicious body work. If you don't understand the difference I feel sorry for you even trying to make this argument.
(1) The difference is paying more attention to the body but it is about the
same. Sorry for having no category for body brawler , maybe I will add it
in the future.
(2) If one gets his impression of the 2 fights BennyST posted , and I do
not try to claim more similar examples could be found , he will not
get to your conclusion , nor to mine which is about the same.
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You should seriously consider actually watching more than just one or two fights of guys you are talking about. It makes things a hell of a lot easier and then instead of us going back and forth on ridiculous arguments about stuff that should be obvious if you've seen more than one fight we could actually get somewhere.

Anyway, those fights I posted, that is Jirov's natural style. That's how he fought on the whole with some of his fights having a great workrate on top of that. He was never a slugger or anything close to it. Even from the Toney fight, I don't see how you can call him a slugger. A pressure fighter? Sure, but slugger? No.

Whitaker is also not a safety first guy. He had great defense, but he took a lot of risks. Before you say "Well that's only one fight and against a nobody" why not watch more than one fight and find out for yourself. He fought like this quite a lot though.

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You should seriously consider actually watching more than just one or two fights of guys you are talking about. It makes things a hell of a lot easier and then instead of us going back and forth on ridiculous arguments about stuff that should be obvious if you've seen more than one fight.

Anyway, those fights I posted, that is Jirov's natural style. That's how he fought on the whole with some of his fights having a great workrate on top of that. He was never a slugger or anything close to it.

Whitaker is also not a safety first guy. He had great defense, but he took a lot of risks. Before you say "Well that's only one fight and against a nobody" why not watch more than one fight and find out for yourself. He fought like this quite a lot though.

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I got a trauma from his first fight against Jose Luis Ramirez but then I forced myself to watch the second as well , in which he was a little bit more aggressive but still below Ruiz , Byrd and Griffin in this aspect.
But I will watch your current posted video when I am home with a computer that has flash player or whatever I don't have here.

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(1) The difference is paying more attention to the body but it is about the
same. Sorry for having no category for body brawler , maybe I will add it
in the future.
(2) If one gets his impression of the 2 fights BennyST posted , and I do
not try to claim more similar examples could be found , he will not
get to your conclusion , nor to mine which is about the same.
Methodically breaking down your opponent is much different than taking chances to land bombs. That is the difference between how Jirov fought and how a slugger/brawler fights.
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